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Incompetent or Dis-Interested Sparks of Today.

I recently viewed a shop that needs some electrical work to make the installation safe and reliable.

The owner said that I was the 5th sparks to attend as the others had either not turned up, initially turned up but then disappeared or appeared overwhelmed by the challenges involved.

Are modern sparks incompetent, lazy or just useless?

Z.

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  • Jon.

    Not sure I'll sign this petition!

    On the face of it, the NICEIC seems to be a good starting point. However, I found this quote on-line...

    "Established almost 50 years ago, the NICEIC is the industry’s independent, non profit-making, voluntary regulatory body covering the entire UK. The organisation’s sole purpose is to protect consumers from unsafe and unsound electrical work.

    The NICEIC is not a trade association and does not represent the interests of electrical contractors, but it does keep a Roll of Approved Contractors that are assessed every year to check their work meets the national safety standard and other relevant technical standards."

    I'm currently an ELECSA Electyrician, but moving across to NAPIT. NAPIT is a 'Trade Association' and looks after the interests of Electricians. Whereas, NICEIC does not give two hoots about us Electricians. The NICEIC does play a very useful role in looking after the interests of the Consumer - But be very careful, they are Consumer biased!!

    I agree, we DO need a central fully regulated list of Professional, Qualified, Electricians, but feel that the NICEIC is not the place to put this. Maybe The IET or the ECA would be better suited, as they are both Professional Trade Associations.

    I have also found in my everyday work - Over 20+ years,I have NEVER, EVER, been asked by ANY potentail customer, about my Qualifications, Registrations, Insurance, etc. This is a sad state of affairs, when we are charged so much to be 'Part-P' registered, and the customers don't give a damn & generally won't pay our higher prices :(((

  • Well it's been approved. Only 100k signatures required, I wish them good luck.

  • It is not clear what he means by "qualified electricians" which will make it tricky to see what he means - if he means "only member of a part P scheme"  I'd be vehemently opposed, as there is plenty of work that is not domestic, if it meant some thing like pass the city and guilds regs exam, then maybe.

    Then there is what to cover - use of extension  leads, or fitting a plug, or just fixed wiring ?

    It is not well defined.
    Parallels with gas work are not always helpful, as the law requires businesses to be registered with gas safe, and everyone to be competent even if unpaid , which is not quite the same. (and then has  to have exceptions for things like coupling up calor gas cylinders and hoses despite that being the most common and high risk activity.)

    Other folk have tried and failed with similar petitions

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/616284  rejected.

    Still it is doing better than one about allowing sparks to pull DNO fuses

    https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/575110 not enough signatures.

    Mike.