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Implications of the term 'recommended' in 7671

Farmboy

In this video: https://youtu.be/aoWuEnvLa3I the term 'recommended' in 7671 is taken to mean that doing nothing is not an option, so applying that to AFDDs means that we have to install them on socket ccts up to 32As in all premises, not just those defined in 7671, unless we can show that AFDDs are not required or their absence is not a problem.

So do you agree with the interpretation and its implication(s)?

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    Waiter:  "Good evening Sir; I recommend the fish."

    Customer:  "Does that mean I have to have it?"

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    Waiter:  "Good evening Sir; I recommend the fish."

    Customer:  "Does that mean I have to have it?"

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  • 0 in reply to geoffsd

    Very good Geoff!

  • 0 in reply to geoffsd

    I would like to suggest to the court that had the plaintiff bears some responsibility, as had he ordered the fish, as was recommended, then his wife would not have been poisoned by the goulash, and the restaurant would not have burnt down later the same night as the defective hob would not have been used.

    Perhaps to some folk it is that sort of "Mafia Godfather" recommendation you really cannot refuse.

    M.

    PS or more like the old joke.

     “What do you get when you cross a deconstructionist with a mafioso? "

    Answer: someone who makes you an offer you cannot understand...

    But crossing very literal engineers with a legal team to create a meaning of recommend that no one else uses.
    I have the same problem with "minimizing" risks.
  • 0 in reply to mapj1
    mapj1 said:
    I would like to suggest to the court that had the plaintiff bears some responsibility, as had he ordered the fish, as was recommended, then his wife would not have been poisoned by the goulash, and the restaurant would not have burnt down later the same night as the defective hob would not have been used.

    Of course that tongue-in-cheek scenario is specious nonsense.

    I forgot to mention foreseeability. It was perfectly foreseeable that a diner would decline the recommendation. 

    The next question must be whether an electrician would have breached the standard of care by not making the recommendation in BS 7671 known to the client.

  • 0 in reply to Chris Pearson

    that tongue-in-cheek scenario is specious nonsense

    well yes. Except to provoke the thought, that the word recommend is not normally, nor in the regs,  used when declining is not a considered a perfectly realistic option.

    M.

  • 0 in reply to mapj1

    Eek, my head is spinning - too many negatives.

    Lose one: the word recommend is normally, or in the regs, used when declining is not a considered a perfectly realistic option

    Lose two: the word recommend is normally, or in the regs, used when declining is considered a perfectly realistic option

    Agreed! Grin

  • 0 in reply to Chris Pearson

    sorry reading again  I agree my post reads like it's had the Humphrey Appleby treatment. (as in Yes Minister! - masters of the art of obscuration)

    I agree with your simplification,.

    M.

  • 0 in reply to geoffsd

    Spot on Geoff. What a mess we find ourselves in over a definition.

    Of course, the simplest option would have been to leave AFDDs off the menu altogether and just leave the decision as to install or not at the discretion of the installer and customer.

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