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Terminal Burn Out.

There are some nice pictures here if you scroll down, of a terminal burn out, probably caused by a loose terminal screw. Nice old Crabtree stuff is virtually bomb-proof.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=207&t=1953307

Oh, and do we need pre-main switch arc fault detection devices?

There seems to be evidence of  heat build up but no fire in this case.

Z.

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  • You are right to be wary - copper copper and copper to brass casual contacts do not generally strike and maintain an arc, if you have an arc welder and time to waste, try and draw an arc with an off-cut of copper wire in the grip instead of a steel rod. In general it is almost impossible, even with a machine whose voltages and currents have been optimized for striking arcs, mostly it will either blow clear like fusewire or melt and stick solid. However arcs with carbon rods, steel rods, and between bits of aluminium are relatively easy.

    It is telling that the certification test for an AFDD requires PVC covered copper wire to be pre-charred 'conditioned' by a few kV- a mechanically damaged wire alone will not do, and may well not be detected.  Overheated insulation is more likely in the vicinity of a loose contact,  or in cables that are not fused down correctly, so perhaps some char is realistic, but HV pre-conditioning to make an AFDD work seems an odd thing to require.

    In the UK we do not see much aluminum wire on low current circuits, and copper clad steel only turns up in the  worst 'fake mains cable' scams, while our layered approach to over-current protection  means that overloaded cables to the point of charring should not occur, at least not in the fixed wiring, perhaps extension leads. I can see a far stronger case for AFDDs when local wiring standards mean these are more likely.

    There is no substitute for getting the cable to fit well into the terminals and doing them up properly. And then giving it a wiggle and re-checking. And maybe if that cannot be ensured, then a smoke detector.

    Mike.

  • I am finding with modern switches and larger cables for cooker or shower circuits, that I can not always double over the ends of the cables when terminating to ensure good connections that will not come loose when fitting the accessory to its back box, sometimes with much struggling with the larger sized cables. I was happier with the old two screws per terminal for cooker connections and shower connections, but alas these have disappeared.

    Yesterday I was very impressed by the solid good quality terminals on an Aga Rangemaster. It has a gas hob and 11.5kW of electric ovens. Far better that the plastic flimsy excuse for a cooker termianl box on the back of most cookers.

    So now I terminate, tighten the screws, move the accessory to near its final fixed position, test the screw tightness again, and even a third time after moving the cable.

    Z.

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  • I am finding with modern switches and larger cables for cooker or shower circuits, that I can not always double over the ends of the cables when terminating to ensure good connections that will not come loose when fitting the accessory to its back box, sometimes with much struggling with the larger sized cables. I was happier with the old two screws per terminal for cooker connections and shower connections, but alas these have disappeared.

    Yesterday I was very impressed by the solid good quality terminals on an Aga Rangemaster. It has a gas hob and 11.5kW of electric ovens. Far better that the plastic flimsy excuse for a cooker termianl box on the back of most cookers.

    So now I terminate, tighten the screws, move the accessory to near its final fixed position, test the screw tightness again, and even a third time after moving the cable.

    Z.

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