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RCD testing question

Hi

Just reading GN 3 page 95, operation of RCDs.

I've always thought, (and taught) that you press the test button at the end of the sequence of RCD tests simply because if you you use the test button first you can "unstick" a potentially faulty device and allow it to pass the tests when it might not have?

At a recent CEF / NICEIC Techtalk event they said exactly the same thing, "Join CEF's (or NICEIC) Head of Technical Solutions Darren Staniforth and electrical legend Dave Austin for a TechTalk near you."

Any thoughts on what page 95 GN3 says now? That you press the test button before using the tester?

Kind regards

Marc

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  • Why the periodic test ?

    The early current balance RCDs had nothing to provide the actuating force except the out of balance current itself, and this lead to a finely balanced 'hair trigger' mechanical arrangement that only needed the lighter components in the grease to evaporate freeze or a thin layer of oxide to form on a critical surface, and the sensitivity would at first greatly reduce, and perhaps not trip at all.

    RCDs in barns and similar outbuildings are especially vulnerable and places where there are variations in humidity.

    Periodic tripping 'polishes' the movement, and reduces this risk.

    The modern kind have a far more bosky, and in many ways simpler movement with more in common with an MCB, This is 'fired' by a solid state switch, and do a require a good fraction of the L-N voltage to be present to trip it. The current balance transformer now only provides a signal for the electronics that then fires the actuator.

    So we have eliminated a mechanical delicacy, but replaced it with potential vulnerabilities of an electronic kind and a constant but small dissipation.

    Arguably we still need a regular test but there has been a subtle change of reasons.

    M

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  • Why the periodic test ?

    The early current balance RCDs had nothing to provide the actuating force except the out of balance current itself, and this lead to a finely balanced 'hair trigger' mechanical arrangement that only needed the lighter components in the grease to evaporate freeze or a thin layer of oxide to form on a critical surface, and the sensitivity would at first greatly reduce, and perhaps not trip at all.

    RCDs in barns and similar outbuildings are especially vulnerable and places where there are variations in humidity.

    Periodic tripping 'polishes' the movement, and reduces this risk.

    The modern kind have a far more bosky, and in many ways simpler movement with more in common with an MCB, This is 'fired' by a solid state switch, and do a require a good fraction of the L-N voltage to be present to trip it. The current balance transformer now only provides a signal for the electronics that then fires the actuator.

    So we have eliminated a mechanical delicacy, but replaced it with potential vulnerabilities of an electronic kind and a constant but small dissipation.

    Arguably we still need a regular test but there has been a subtle change of reasons.

    M

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  • Hi All, thanks for responses,

    Agreeing with Mike, I thought that RCD testers limit the time and max voltage rise when testing specifically to avoid danger if doing the test on an unearthed circuit. Of course we would, on a new install carry out the tests in the correct order. I.E. make sure you have an earth path before doing ELI or RCD tests.

    This was one of the answers to the question, "why do the tests in a specific order" on the old written 2391 papers before multi choice gave you the right answer to pick from Disappointed.

    I use the example that if you "unstick" a potentially sticky, (as it's never had a three or six monthly test) RCD and then do the one test now required and, Yipee it passes but 3 years later you cut the lawnmower lead and it's sticky again you die. Simples. On older split load arrangements it was not uncommon to see 63A or 40A 30mA  RCD taking the ring circuits, cooker with a socket, shower etc leaving only the lights on the 100A main switch. Leading I believe to someone, (NICEIC maybe?) doing a survey and finding that, a) no one tests them regularly and b) they did not operate in the required time when tested as a good proportion were overloaded. 

    Interestingly GN3 still recommends the 1/2 test seemingly in contradiction to BS7671.

    Kind regards

    Marc

  • Interestingly GN3 still recommends the 1/2 test seemingly in contradiction to BS7671.

    BS 7671 never specified a 1/2 times test, in reality.

    I guess a better question, is whether it continues to be necessary to test RCDs at all, other than pushing the test button?

  • Hi

    I think we all agree that pretty much no-one presses the test button. So yes, I will continue to test RCDs in accordance with BS7671 / GN3 or my engineering judgement.

    Many thanks

    Marc

  • Agreed from me ... another part to the 1/2 times test is that BS 7671 requires test method selected in accordance with relevant part of BS EN 61557 - which includes for a "non-tripping test".

    BS 7671 doesn't say "don't do the non-tripping test" (the 1/2 times test) - it doesn't in fact say anything about the 1/2 times test, but it does say something about only doing one of the tripping tests.

    Given the statement in Regulation 643.1 not being modified by any of the other Regulations, I would argue BS 7671 requires the non-tripping test.