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Groups of Mulitcore Cables (4E4) Cable Spacing

Hi All, 

I need some assistance in understand the inconsistency between BS 7671 Table 4C1 and Table 4C4. The installation in question consists of 5 No. mulitcore cables mounted on a single cable ladder (so Reference Method E). To avoid applying derating factors for grouping I believe I need to space the cables at 2 Cable OD apart, in accordance with Table 4C1 Note 2 . My interpretation of Note 2 is that if the cables are spaced at less than 2OD then derating must be applied and in my case/installation this would be 0.8 for 5 cables. i have highlighted the relevant information in the following image:

However with reference to Table 4C4, if I space the cables at 1 Cable OD apart then I need not apply a derating factor, again relevant information highlighted in red below:

I feel as though I am missing an important point - any help to clarify this gratefully received!

  • It is all based on some fairly sketchy assumptions about cooling airflow, and two different sets of tests done by different teams at different times. 

    Horizontally, most of the influence on a cable comes from its closest immediate neighbours, and progressively less from those further away, By the time you get to something like 5 or 6 cables wide the ones in the middle may as well be part of an infinite array of cables. If you look at the tables you see that the effect of one more cable when you go up gets quite small. The greater the spacing, the less  the cooling air coming up the gaps is  heated or slowed down by the adjacent cables. It is not really true to say ' no effect' at any distance, even out to very far indeed, so more a case of just how far out do we no longer care, ignoring de-rating of  5%, 2 %, 1% ? it is a bit of a judgement call, and different authorities have rolled that dice a bit differently over the years.

    To further muck it up, the assumption that a cable diameter spacing has the same de-rating factor for both thick and thin cables is  a bit off, in practice the way chimney convection currents start to form eddies in larger gaps, means that rule of thumb  tends to over-cook thin cables and thin gaps while fat cables with larger gaps run a bit cooler than expected. The saving grace is that very rarely are all cables at full load at the same time. Indeed quite often we know the total supply to the building or the dis-board or whatever, and can know an upper bound of how many can be fully loaded at once.

    Not perhaps your original question but note that this does not work at all when cables are stacked vertically, as the heat from all the cables below rises and pre-heats the ones above.

    Neither table is truly 'correct' of course, just good enough guidance to avoid a serious problem.

    Mike.