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derating multiple trefoils

I need to determine number of cables in trefoil

2783A total

240mm2 90C (terminations OK for 130C) flexible

unbalanced so have neutrals

50% earth

2 layers of trefoils. 6 3 phase + 2 neutral + 1 earth = 27 cables (9 trefoils)

 6 sets 607 x .91 x..86 x .97?

Manufacturer says use 775 x 0.91 4sets

Please advise

Also IEC60364 has no 0.97 flexible cable de-rating factor....

Kindest regards

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  • I have just posted a follow up query on use of quads and derating thereof

  • I largely agree with the comments above (I think you missed Jaymack's point that you'll need to consider longitudinal spacing of cleats along each cable/trefoil to design out bursting due to magnetic effects of through fault currents).

    I would suggest, as Mike did above, that you get a copy of ERA* report 69-30 parts III and V, which might have more appropriate arrangements for what you're trying to achieve. It's often my go to for these situations.

    *Now RINA of course

    You will also need to consider asymmetric loading due to the magnetic fields.

    If the cables are installed outside and exposed to the Sun, for a continuous load I would advise you to consider the heating effect of insolation and/or radiation from hot surfaces (e.g. reflection from a concrete floor). Or to shade the cables.

    However, for a project such as you suggest, with multiple large supplies and presumably a substantial budget, I might be inclined to go for a detailed calculation per IEC 60287. In practice that means specialist software (or a consultant that has it), and you do need to understand what you're doing, but it frees you from the by-necessity generic tables and you can see exactly what's going on.

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  • I largely agree with the comments above (I think you missed Jaymack's point that you'll need to consider longitudinal spacing of cleats along each cable/trefoil to design out bursting due to magnetic effects of through fault currents).

    I would suggest, as Mike did above, that you get a copy of ERA* report 69-30 parts III and V, which might have more appropriate arrangements for what you're trying to achieve. It's often my go to for these situations.

    *Now RINA of course

    You will also need to consider asymmetric loading due to the magnetic fields.

    If the cables are installed outside and exposed to the Sun, for a continuous load I would advise you to consider the heating effect of insolation and/or radiation from hot surfaces (e.g. reflection from a concrete floor). Or to shade the cables.

    However, for a project such as you suggest, with multiple large supplies and presumably a substantial budget, I might be inclined to go for a detailed calculation per IEC 60287. In practice that means specialist software (or a consultant that has it), and you do need to understand what you're doing, but it frees you from the by-necessity generic tables and you can see exactly what's going on.

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