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C&G Indicates lack of qualifications for Electricians and EV charger installs

Morning All,

Just was made aware of this article and doesnt really surprise me to be honest:

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-11054445/Concerns-raised-safety-electric-car-charge-points.html

So goes back to the concerns I always have about what due diligence the "Duty Holder" or indeed the householder etc carry out to make sure the installer is competant for the task to be performed. I doubt this just relates to householders employing "electricians" direct themselves, but also to those charging companies and EVSE suppliers that send a man in a van out to do the install.

I appreaciate, those that do complete the C&G course can still go on and make mistakes and carry out dangerous and shoddy work, but logic indicates they should be less likley to do so than those with no training a flick thru Section 7 in the regs and carry on oblivious to what the results of their actions may be.

GTB

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  • All domestic EVSE in England and Wales comes under Part P of the Building Regulations as they require the installation of a new circuit, so installer competence issues should be picked up through the system that is already in place.

    That is of course assuming that the installation work assessed by the scheme operators actually includes EVSE, because it doesn’t have to.

    The CPS assessing individual competence of EVSE in on an ongoing basis might actually be the best way forward. 

    Bearing in mind you now need a NVQ to register with a CPS as well now, so that’s a double whammy for an electrician over the age of forty who may for one reason or another decide to become a self employed electrician and install EVSE.

    Disenfranchising half the workforce rather than working with them to raise standards really doesn’t seem a good idea.

    Actually determining where new entrants to the industry are coming from would also be a good idea, are they actually school leavers or mature career changers coming from the Armed Forces or other jobs and possibly people who have previously been Smart Meter installers who have trained to do one specific electrical job safely but lacking full electrical training and qualifications, how easy is it going to be for mature entrants to gain a NVQ, what support is there in place for them or older electricians to do so.

    And of course there’s the question of who provides the training and who pays for it, I have paid for all my electrical training apart from the EU paying for my PV training, but most of my training was at local technical colleges including the PV training which was at Dudley College.

    Are there any local colleges running the C&G EVSE course?

    If electricians could attend a part funded C&G EVSE as evening classes at a local technical college without having to take a couple of days off work to do it would the uptake of training actually be a lot higher, I have always found that most electricians generally enjoy training courses and other trade related events look how many turn up for them.

    As I said above I have already spent a couple of thousand pounds on the book, training course, time off work, traveling and other expenses along with buying a testing adapter, now I’m working my way through some manufacturers training and by the time I’m finished the cost is going to be pushing three thousand pounds to get set up, if I had to get the NVQ as well the cost would be prohibitive.

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  • All domestic EVSE in England and Wales comes under Part P of the Building Regulations as they require the installation of a new circuit, so installer competence issues should be picked up through the system that is already in place.

    That is of course assuming that the installation work assessed by the scheme operators actually includes EVSE, because it doesn’t have to.

    The CPS assessing individual competence of EVSE in on an ongoing basis might actually be the best way forward. 

    Bearing in mind you now need a NVQ to register with a CPS as well now, so that’s a double whammy for an electrician over the age of forty who may for one reason or another decide to become a self employed electrician and install EVSE.

    Disenfranchising half the workforce rather than working with them to raise standards really doesn’t seem a good idea.

    Actually determining where new entrants to the industry are coming from would also be a good idea, are they actually school leavers or mature career changers coming from the Armed Forces or other jobs and possibly people who have previously been Smart Meter installers who have trained to do one specific electrical job safely but lacking full electrical training and qualifications, how easy is it going to be for mature entrants to gain a NVQ, what support is there in place for them or older electricians to do so.

    And of course there’s the question of who provides the training and who pays for it, I have paid for all my electrical training apart from the EU paying for my PV training, but most of my training was at local technical colleges including the PV training which was at Dudley College.

    Are there any local colleges running the C&G EVSE course?

    If electricians could attend a part funded C&G EVSE as evening classes at a local technical college without having to take a couple of days off work to do it would the uptake of training actually be a lot higher, I have always found that most electricians generally enjoy training courses and other trade related events look how many turn up for them.

    As I said above I have already spent a couple of thousand pounds on the book, training course, time off work, traveling and other expenses along with buying a testing adapter, now I’m working my way through some manufacturers training and by the time I’m finished the cost is going to be pushing three thousand pounds to get set up, if I had to get the NVQ as well the cost would be prohibitive.

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