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TNC installation - Continental Europe

  1. Hi,

I am looking at re-wiring a small apartment on the continent. The supply to the building is a TNC.

I was quite surprised to find a 4 core 6mm cable coming into the building from an underground cable, with the 3 phases landing into 80A fuses and the neutrals twisted together with an aged bit of tape around them. There are then multiple 4mm cables that connect to the secondary side of these fuses, which go off to the various properties.

The properties themselves have a consumer DB, with the phase conductor landing in a 32A MCB. The neutral then lands into the neutral bar, with a link to the earth bar.

I just wanted to clarify the following. 

Q1: 

When upgrading this apartment, I obviously want to use RCDs. I believe in order to do this, I would need to land the incoming neutral into a suitable connector, which then links to the neural terminal of the RCD and also the earth bar - this would then give me a TNC-S earth and neutral. The neutral output of the RCD is then in essence measured and compared to the phase conductor for subsequent outgoing circuit protection. 

Q2: 

I am assuming that the supply authority rely solely on the consumers “main switch” which is in essence an MCB to ensure the cable between the suppliers main feed and the property isn’t overloaded, because the suppliers fuses are not rated to protect the 4mm cable that comes into the property. I believe they have rated the fuses high enough to cope with the maximum demand for the connected properties. 

This would then mean, that the phase conductor needs to land into this MCB before the RCD. Is a single pole MCB really the best choice, or should I look to use a double pole MCB that disconnects the phase and the neutral conductor, and if so, what then happens to the earth?  

Obviously all of this falls outside of BS7671, because this standard doesn’t apply on the continent. I am just looking to clarify my understanding. I have actually looked at various installations and all of them are the same. The standard of wiring and associated safety devices/methods doesn’t even compare to what we do in the UK.  

I have also looked at using a local electrician - really not an option considering the state of some of the installations I’ve seen! 

Thanks. 

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  • The building is made from concrete and there will be rebar within this concrete. A user would receive a shock in this instance

    Are there no floor coverings? Some unglazed ties (e.g. quarry tiles) especially when often wet, were notorious for being 'earthy' but most other floor coverings seem to offer considerable resistance in practice. Not something you'd choose to rely on as such, but perhaps something to consider when weighing the actual risks...

             - Andy.

  • The apartment will be tilled throughout, directly onto a screed that sits on top of the concrete slab. The floors are around 400mm thick, with metal reinforcements, so the building as a hole is quite “earthy”. 

    I will need to make a judgement call on this. I am not happy with the state of the incoming supply (the neutral), and the use of a PEN fault device can only add to the safety of the system I believe. They are a few hundred quid so it’ll be money well spent.

    I am also kind of unsure how bonding the water will impact the rest of the building. The apartment is fed from a 4mm 3 core. If I take a 4mm bond to the water, I would in essence be proving bonding for the entire building so any stray currents from other apartments would undoubtedly find their way back into my installation. 

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  • The apartment will be tilled throughout, directly onto a screed that sits on top of the concrete slab. The floors are around 400mm thick, with metal reinforcements, so the building as a hole is quite “earthy”. 

    I will need to make a judgement call on this. I am not happy with the state of the incoming supply (the neutral), and the use of a PEN fault device can only add to the safety of the system I believe. They are a few hundred quid so it’ll be money well spent.

    I am also kind of unsure how bonding the water will impact the rest of the building. The apartment is fed from a 4mm 3 core. If I take a 4mm bond to the water, I would in essence be proving bonding for the entire building so any stray currents from other apartments would undoubtedly find their way back into my installation. 

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