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Advice please on depth of wiring trench

Former Community Member
Former Community Member

Good afternoon,

I have an ongoing conflict with my local council over the depth of cabling.

A new footpath has been laid with street lighting, over a soft green open space.  When the cabling was being laid, I took measurements of the depth of trench and this varied from about 250mm to about 450mm.  Having looked at many documents, I have read that the covering depth of the cabling should be 450mm, with 75mm of sand below the cabling, 75mm above the cabling then the yellow/orange marking tape 250mm above the top layer of sand. This would then be back filled to surface level.  The councils own 'Design & Specifications' clearly state these figures.

As you can see from the pictures, this is not the case.

I reported the issue to the Health and Safety Executive, and guess what, they requested the council to investigate.  Lo and behold, the council returned stating that the depths of the trench was correct, particularly after landscaping.  The trench in the pictures are 300mm and 320mm deep, with NO sand below, and so to get to the 450mm covering, the trench would need to be 615mm deep.  In this instance, its at least 295mm short.  Even with the landscaping, there is NO way the council have added a foot (300mm) of soil on top!

The HSE came back with the reasoning that the Electrical Regs, (NJUG) The Energy Networks Association (ENA) and the IEE 7671 are for guidance, advisory and can therefore be interpreted by whoever is carrying out the work.  I informed the HSE that The New Roads and Street Act, The Transport Act and The Traffic Management Act is what they say they are - Acts of parliament and therefore LAW, whereas the NJUG she quoted, is indeed a guidance document.

So, what can I do about it now?  What is the next level that I can go to to get this put right and hold the council to task?  

I have had many a fight with my local council over the lies, untruths and deceipt.  They are carrying out these works in many places in the town, and I have personally been told, 'Its OUR land and we will do as we please!'

Any advice would be so welcome.

Thank you

GG

  • I am reminded of this incident.

    BBC Sport - Horse Racing - Newbury horse deaths caused by electrocution

    Perhaps your local M.P. or the National Press should be told about your concerns..

    I wonder just what type of cable is run in that ducting in your photos. More than likely steel wire armoured I would say.

    Z.

  • From a BS 7671 point of view (this is a wiring regs forum) there is no specific depth specified - simply 'sufficient depth to avoid being damaged by any reasonably foreseeable disturbance of the ground'. Obviously digging trenches for other services and the like can't come under 'reasonably foreseeable disturbance of the ground' otherwise every service would have to be deeper than every other service, including itself, and the logic would break down; so we're really only thinking about ordinary day-to-day or routine maintenance sort of ground disturbances - digging in a garden or ploughing a field sort of thing, or periodic resurfacing . So how deep is deep enough depends very much on the circumstances. The NJUG likes different depths for different services partly to allow easy segregation of services, and to allow for routine resurfacing and minor changes in surface levels that often occur on roads/pavements (dropping of kerbs and so on). In other circumstance even 10mm of cover might be satisfactory. It all depends on the situation.

    I've not read the legislation you refer to, but I guess it doesn't explicitly state a minimum depth for cables.

    I'd not worry about the sand - that's only really needed where the soil contains sharp stones which could damage the cable (so it sometimes get specified regarldess if the ground conditions are unknown) - there's little need for it otherwise, or as appears to be the case here, the cable itself if protected by a twinwall duct.

    In open field kind of sitations a lot depends on how its likely to be used - if it's the village common kind of place that often hosts fairs or circuses that routinely drive in tent pegs and the like, I'd like to see the cable reasonably deep. If however it's just used by dog walkers and the like, almost any depth is likely to be OK.

       - Andy.

  • Highly unlikely that a SWA, with an earthed armour, a plastic oversheath, and in a twinwall duct, would pose any risk to anything on the surface. Even if it did, it would have to be many metres deep (3m - 8 m perhaps) to avoid the risk.

       - Andy.

  • I am left wondering why this is troubling you.

  • Just what can be driven into a lawn or open grass land?

    Z.

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member

    Thank you for all your replies.

    I am not an electrical engineer but believe that where regulations apply, they should be adhered to.  My council is very adept at cutting corners, not adhering to legislation, mismanagement of the truth to name a few.  They have history of this on other projects.

    Thanks again.

    GG

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to Zoomup

    Thanks, but I am trying to find out the correct info before I go down this line.

    Cheers

  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member in reply to AJJewsbury

    Thanks for your reply.

  • Croquet hoops.

  • tent pegs perhaps...