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Summary of Condition of Installation

"Detached 2 story property is approximately 30-40 years old and has PVC fixtures and fittings throughout. Separate from the property is a garage which was tested also. Some defects were found and these have been attended to by the Electrician"

The above comment was all that was inserted under the summary section of an EICR relating to a large property which also has a a swimming pool. Reason for report; property being sold.

Now I am not deriding the contractor as there is no encouragement on the template EICR in Appendix 6 to be more expansive. The space allocation for the summary is only a couple of lines. Even looking at the example given in the new GN3 on page 164, for a non-technical recipient, the comment made there could be filed under chocolate fire guards. 

Communicating a succinct, meaningful comment to a client can be difficult, even for those with wordsmith capabilities. Apart from conveying a summary, I have also noticed that many comments made are poorly constructed with grammar and spelling at a low level. For those reading the report who may have a more academic background but no technical understanding of electrical installations, it must call the quality of the whole report into question. It certainly does nothing for the esteem of the electrical installation industry! 

Perhaps the summary section should be dumped. It's either satisfactory or not and if not the comments can elucidate on why not!  

  • Just what are PVC fixtures and fittings?

    Z.

  • Well you are a well-informed electrician, how does it look then for the poor client!!

  • Windows, doors, curtain rails?

    I suggest that summary could be along the lines, "This installation, which is 40 years old, has been altered little and has remained in excellent condition. It is unlikely to need any remedial work for the foreseeable future." Or perhaps, "This 40 year old installation is nearing the end of its useful life. Whilst remedial action has been taken today, consideration should be given to a complete re-wire within the next 5 years." And give a recommendation to inspect in another 5 years.

    Any areas of concern should be recorded under "observations" (there is plenty of space) and I see no reason why a note should not be appended to each one to the effect that remedial action has been taken. Alternatively, a separate note, or invoice, or what have you may be attached, but that makes the report rather less clear.

  • PVC insulated wire, hard fittings  I would expect bodies of roses and sockets etc to be urea formaldehyde resin or acetyl butyl stearate with injection moulded poly-carbonates for detailed small parts like switch rockers etc.. Unless there is a lot of plastic  conduit or mini-trunking there will be almost no PVC exposed to view.

    I agree, ' good for many years to come' or 'start saving up for a re-wire soon ' would be more helpful standard tick-box phrases for almost everyone I would have thought.

    Mike.

  • I agree Lyle, but this is just another point that the quality of inspectors is inadequate. Reports with spelling or grammatical errors obviously comment on the knowledge and education of the inspector, bringing his qualification to do the job properly into question.  As an aside I love to read reports from the Edwardian period from Engineers of all types. They are often beautifully crafted in the probabilities of problems and whilst appearing specific have a vagueness ideal for avoiding any comeback! A phrase in a drains report I have is " the inverts appear to be clean and shiny suggesting adequate falls, and have no resting liquid or solid matter". I wonder why present day electrical reports are not like that: "The cables appear in good condition, are correctly sized for the circuit protective devices and have tight and bright connections to all terminals". This says two things, the chap knows what to look for and that having looked he is satisfied that all is well. So much better than a loop Z reading and a tick, both of which say nothing to the customer!

  • One must also take into account that many of today's 'Inspectors' have been fastracked by dubious training companies in response to the Govt's 'Landlord's Requirements' and I suspect that many candidates 1st language is not English.

  • Why is the seller bothering with an EICR?  If the buyer wants one, like the survey, that is up to them.

  • Reports with spelling or grammatical errors obviously comment on the knowledge and education of the inspector, bringing his qualification to do the job properly into question. 

    Very sad to read this "judgement". Bad spelling / grammar can be indicative of things other than a capability to do a job properly ... I needn't list the reasons here; it ought to be enough to say that Engineering and neurodiversity are often an excellent match.

    [Edited to correct a grammatical error Wink]

  • What are you saying there Graham? Neurodiverse people cannot right proper? Thinking

  • What are you saying there Graham? Neurodiverse people cannot right proper?

    Definitely not ... that would be offensive!

    There are a number of different factors that neurodiversity covers, and some of those factors may well be evidenced by spelling/grammar not meeting certain people's expectations.