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Islanding mode earthing requirements with PME supply to inverter in garage

I have the following situation, in my own house I might add:
TN-C-S single phase PME supply
50A B curve MCB in main distribution board feeds 10mm2 3C (one core used as CPC), SWA cable going to garage ~5m away from the house
In the detached garage there is a consumer unit feeding a 32A type B RCBO for an EV charger and a 32A type A rcbo for an inverter, both 30mA
EV charger has an open PEN detection relay
(I know about the selectivity issue here with the MCB but it's determined not a safety issue, short circuit unlikely. Sockets and lighting on separate 2.5mm supply)

Now the question is, if I want to enable the inverter to work in islanding mode, what earthing provisions do I need to add?
The house is detached and more than 30m away from other houses and metal street furniture
Ze from supply is 0.12 ohm, main fuse 100A
Inverter can perform N-E link and coordinate with changeover switch at incoming supply

Am I right in thinking that I should remain connected to supplies earth but add an earth rod? What impedance requirement should this earth rod have?
I think it's 200 ohm because the inverter is protected by a 30mA RCBO and in connected mode, the supply earth will be sufficient.
I also think the earth rod should be connected to the inverter directly (i.e. downsteam from the rcbo and not upstream) so that the RCD will be able to detect the leakage in islanding mode.

Thanks!

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  • I also think the earth rod should be connected to the inverter directly (i.e. downsteam from the rcbo and not upstream) so that the RCD will be able to detect the leakage in islanding mode.

    IET Code of Practice for Electrical Energy Storage Systems says connect the electrode to the MET (BS 7671 recommends this anyway). The N-E switched link can still be carried out at the inverter.

    I think it's 200 ohm because the inverter is protected by a 30mA RCBO and in connected mode, the supply earth will be sufficient.

    Unless there is any part of the installation that has a TT earthing arrangement in island mode, the IET Code of Practice for Electrical Energy Storage Systems says 200 ohm is an absolute maximum.

    However, you will be forming a TN-S system in island mode ... but regardless, you will still need to determine the earth fault loop impedance of all circuits in island mode, to verify that they are less than the values in Table 41.5 of BS 7671 (applies to TN or TT systems where RCDs are used for ADS). Because loop impedance tests on circuits supplied by inverters are likely to give spurious results, you can only do that if you know the effective source impedance of the inverter up to its current limit, which the manufacturer should be able to provide.

  • It’s going to be incredibly difficult to wire in a new cable to the MET. The house has been extended so the meter cupboard is right in the middle, can’t easily get a cable out. Do you think an information label would suffice in the meter cupboard?

  • The house has been extended so the meter cupboard is right in the middle, can’t easily get a cable out. Do you think an information label would suffice in the meter cupboard?

    There are a few related issues here, including the fact that , for a PME system, there are minimum csa requirements for main bonding conductors. This really ought to apply to protective conductors connecting additional earth electrodes (although this all depends on how you read the requirements, it really doesn't matter when you think that the electrode is just another piece of metal connected to the ground, which, in connected mode does very little.

    The guidance to connect the consumer's earth electrode to the MET for electrical energy storage systems has been in place since 2017, although BS 7671 has recommended a supplementary earth electrode (connected to MET) for a substantial number of years.

    Overall, though, not easy without seeing the installation and considering copper-equivalent csa.


    Worth bearing in mind that future EICRs will consider the guidance in place,from IET as well as other guidance referred to by competent person certification schemes.

  • Minimum copper csa would be 10mm2, the same as the current bonding conductors

  • Minimum copper csa would be 10mm2, the same as the current bonding conductors

    Is that the case at the moment, 10 sq mm bonding between the garage and the house?

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  • Minimum copper csa would be 10mm2, the same as the current bonding conductors

    Is that the case at the moment, 10 sq mm bonding between the garage and the house?

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  • The garage has no extraneous conductive parts, the cpc going to it is 10mm2. I meant the gas and water pipes are bonded with 10mm2 (but technically this is no longer necassary since they have plastic incomer pipes).