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DNO Fuse breaking.

On the site I'm working at, one phase has blown its fuse twice in the last few days.

Its a 400Amp supply from the transformer (I havemt confirmed this, I was told it was that), which is fused down to 200A at the 3 ph cut out.

From the cut-out there are 2x 40+ way Lucy DB with individual 100A fuses for the 70+ flats and communal services.

I have noted here before about the poor design of the installation, but now it seems even dafter, firstly the flats will never pull anything like 100 amos (50A would be plenty), and why give a 400A supply, when it is fused down to 200A at the incoming supply?

Anyway, one of the phases has broken its fuse in the cut-out twice in 3 days. The Private DNO have been out, and replaced the fuse, but, strangely, have done no testing to see why it has broken. There is a minimal load on the full installation now, as it isnt occupied, just water pumps, some lighting, general safety services, and around 10 computers etc, and a few panel heaters in the site office in the building.I would estimate a peak of 30 amps per phase. There has been no breaking/blown individual fuses to the many DB's after the Lucy DB.

The DNO Employee wasnt saying much at all, I asked if he'd done any clamp testing on that phase, but he said he was only there to change the fuse!

I've been asked to have a look at it on Monday, firstly to check the consumption on each phase, and then inspect to see where the fault coudl lie. We arent going to be fixing it, we'll just be reporting to the Main Contractor,who will contact the DNO.

The main thing I think could be causing it will be a  high resistance joint on the LV supply between the Cut-out and the Lucy board. If the outgoing side of the Lucy board  was faulty, surely the 100A fuse upstream of that will break, rather than the cut-out 200A fuse. All of the testing after the Lucy DB has been done by our Guys, so I'm pretty confident it isnt that cabing that is at fault.

Any other ideas as to what to look for?

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  • A 200 amp supply does not sound sufficient for 70 flats. Presuming that the load is balanced fairly well, then one phase will be supplying 24 flats. Only 8.3 amps per flat.

    That however is not immediately relevant if the flats are indeed empty. Have you confirmed by PERSONAL INSPECTION that the flats are actually empty and not occupied by friends of the builders for example. Two portable heaters per flat could blow a 200 amp fuse.

    If the flats are ACTUALLY empty then some other factor must be involved. Perhaps an intermittant short circuit, or even unauthorized connections. 

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  • A 200 amp supply does not sound sufficient for 70 flats. Presuming that the load is balanced fairly well, then one phase will be supplying 24 flats. Only 8.3 amps per flat.

    That however is not immediately relevant if the flats are indeed empty. Have you confirmed by PERSONAL INSPECTION that the flats are actually empty and not occupied by friends of the builders for example. Two portable heaters per flat could blow a 200 amp fuse.

    If the flats are ACTUALLY empty then some other factor must be involved. Perhaps an intermittant short circuit, or even unauthorized connections. 

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  • Yes, the flats are empty, and yes, I agree, the design is awful. However the flats do not have much of a load, 3x1kW panel heaters, 1x 3kW Immersion heater, a 13A plug in oven, and the biggest load, a std. electric hob, on a 32A breaker. Of course, if all loads are put on together, in each flat, it will definitely break the cut out fuses, but I presume the 'Designer' has taken this into account, but, somehow, I doubt it!

    Communal heat is from around 20 1kW panel heaters. Other communal facilities add up to less than 20kW when all working - water pumps, ventilation etc.

    I'm suspecting a loose connection somewhere, but would liek to hear others thoughts on it.

    Thanks.