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Mentor or discussion forum on IET 5th EDITION code of practice

WHERE do I get LEARNING discussion topics and feedback as I would in a classroom format or from a college mentor on many QUESTIONS I have regarding 5th EDITION IET Code of Practice?? 

For example on Page 80 Table 10.6..  1.5 mm cable has a maximum current carrying capacity of 13 Amps.... YET online I am finding PAT engineers testing Industrial extension leads 1.5 mm having 16 Amps run through them and in BLACK cable with BLACK sodding 60309 connectors... EXTREMELY baffelling and not with an axe to grind and as a none electrician am taking the exam soon THINGS are NOT matching up to spec...I need clarification.. I need answers to many seemingly oddball stuff..

Another quick on:   Page 98-99  5th Edition IET..  If you want peeps to get confused this is it:  ES1 is equivalent to Class III ok... then ELV and SELV (no PELV and no FELV??) are WHAT.. class II? 

An exam Q will TRY an TRIP me up over Low Voltage and Extra Low Volts ok.. seemingly obvious YET online sources declare 0-1000 volts AC and 0-1500 volts DC as Low Volts yet another no no no its 120-1500 DC and 50-1000 AC

IF i take that second reference at FACE value on page 99 in the IET we see a table declaring ES2 at 120 volts DC 50 AC  what is that doiing sat right in the MIDDLE of that table??  and what is ES2?  its not clear and I am in mind

to class ES2 as CLASS II...... furthermore in SELV we see a sodding CP being available as basic protection in some cases?????????  Getting really strapped over this guys..

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  • For example on Page 80 Table 10.6..  1.5 mm cable has a maximum current carrying capacity of 13 Amps.... YET online I am finding PAT engineers testing Industrial extension leads 1.5 mm having 16 Amps run through them and in BLACK cable with BLACK sodding 60309 connectors... EXTREMELY baffelling and not with an axe to grind and as a none electrician am taking the exam soon THINGS are NOT matching up to spec...I need clarification.. I need answers to many seemingly oddball stuff..

    The table of Page 80 only applies where there's a BS 1363 plug (see table title and the title of Section 10.14 in which the table sits). Whilst  1.5 mm2 flexible cable can be rated for up to 16 A, this is NOT the case with a BS 1363 plug, where the rating is limited to 13 A.

    Another quick on:   Page 98-99  5th Edition IET..  If you want peeps to get confused this is it:  ES1 is equivalent to Class III ok... then ELV and SELV (no PELV and no FELV??) are WHAT.. class II? 

    A glib answer is 'no longer used in some standards'

    'ELV' is just a term that defines the level of voltage, 'extra-low voltage'. This comes in a number of variations as to how the voltage is derived, so:

    • SELV is 'separated extra-low voltage' and has particular protective measures to prevent electric shock under single fault conditions.
    • PELV is like SELV, but is additionally earthed (this may be for a number of reasons selected by a manufacturer or electrical installation designer)
    • FELV may have higher voltages present, so needs ptorection similar to mains (low voltage).

    Installation standards, and some product standards, still use 'SELV' and 'PELV'. However, to complicate matters, some standards like BS EN 62368-1 no longer align with the usage. It makes things far more complicated for those learning about product safety, and tutors teaching it. The changes to classification and better descriptions are in Appendix 3 of the Code of Practice (starts on page 97).

    IF i take that second reference at FACE value on page 99 in the IET we see a table declaring ES2 at 120 volts DC 50 AC  what is that doiing sat right in the MIDDLE of that table??  and what is ES2?  its not clear and I am in mind

    ES2 is equivalent to either FELV or mains (low voltage, LV) depending on the nominal (normal) voltage involved in the system (and where it is used according to BS 7671). It is there to compare the fact that ES2 is NOT equivalent to either SELV or PELV., because of the possible touch voltage or touch current in single fault conditions - it could only be considered FELV or LV.

    to class ES2 as CLASS II...... furthermore in SELV we see a sodding CP being available as basic protection in some cases?????????  Getting really strapped over this guys..

    No, it may not be,

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  • For example on Page 80 Table 10.6..  1.5 mm cable has a maximum current carrying capacity of 13 Amps.... YET online I am finding PAT engineers testing Industrial extension leads 1.5 mm having 16 Amps run through them and in BLACK cable with BLACK sodding 60309 connectors... EXTREMELY baffelling and not with an axe to grind and as a none electrician am taking the exam soon THINGS are NOT matching up to spec...I need clarification.. I need answers to many seemingly oddball stuff..

    The table of Page 80 only applies where there's a BS 1363 plug (see table title and the title of Section 10.14 in which the table sits). Whilst  1.5 mm2 flexible cable can be rated for up to 16 A, this is NOT the case with a BS 1363 plug, where the rating is limited to 13 A.

    Another quick on:   Page 98-99  5th Edition IET..  If you want peeps to get confused this is it:  ES1 is equivalent to Class III ok... then ELV and SELV (no PELV and no FELV??) are WHAT.. class II? 

    A glib answer is 'no longer used in some standards'

    'ELV' is just a term that defines the level of voltage, 'extra-low voltage'. This comes in a number of variations as to how the voltage is derived, so:

    • SELV is 'separated extra-low voltage' and has particular protective measures to prevent electric shock under single fault conditions.
    • PELV is like SELV, but is additionally earthed (this may be for a number of reasons selected by a manufacturer or electrical installation designer)
    • FELV may have higher voltages present, so needs ptorection similar to mains (low voltage).

    Installation standards, and some product standards, still use 'SELV' and 'PELV'. However, to complicate matters, some standards like BS EN 62368-1 no longer align with the usage. It makes things far more complicated for those learning about product safety, and tutors teaching it. The changes to classification and better descriptions are in Appendix 3 of the Code of Practice (starts on page 97).

    IF i take that second reference at FACE value on page 99 in the IET we see a table declaring ES2 at 120 volts DC 50 AC  what is that doiing sat right in the MIDDLE of that table??  and what is ES2?  its not clear and I am in mind

    ES2 is equivalent to either FELV or mains (low voltage, LV) depending on the nominal (normal) voltage involved in the system (and where it is used according to BS 7671). It is there to compare the fact that ES2 is NOT equivalent to either SELV or PELV., because of the possible touch voltage or touch current in single fault conditions - it could only be considered FELV or LV.

    to class ES2 as CLASS II...... furthermore in SELV we see a sodding CP being available as basic protection in some cases?????????  Getting really strapped over this guys..

    No, it may not be,

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  • WOW thats a good reply haahahaa I am sorry for my emotional state when i look at my words.. a bit cringy...FELV as Low Voltage and indeed Energy S2.... Thats a great help... are you able to give me some pointers on WEIRD readings that I know I will be tasked on in the exam this month.. like the one where they ask you what is going on with a steady rise of a reading of a 3 KW heater and the answer is a loose connection and not the heater coils having dampness.. anything like that would be helpful.. or another one just remembered... Surge Protection giving incorrect reading but is actually "correct" because its doing its job..

    Thanks bud and to all your good fellows who got back to me..