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Mentor or discussion forum on IET 5th EDITION code of practice

WHERE do I get LEARNING discussion topics and feedback as I would in a classroom format or from a college mentor on many QUESTIONS I have regarding 5th EDITION IET Code of Practice?? 

For example on Page 80 Table 10.6..  1.5 mm cable has a maximum current carrying capacity of 13 Amps.... YET online I am finding PAT engineers testing Industrial extension leads 1.5 mm having 16 Amps run through them and in BLACK cable with BLACK sodding 60309 connectors... EXTREMELY baffelling and not with an axe to grind and as a none electrician am taking the exam soon THINGS are NOT matching up to spec...I need clarification.. I need answers to many seemingly oddball stuff..

Another quick on:   Page 98-99  5th Edition IET..  If you want peeps to get confused this is it:  ES1 is equivalent to Class III ok... then ELV and SELV (no PELV and no FELV??) are WHAT.. class II? 

An exam Q will TRY an TRIP me up over Low Voltage and Extra Low Volts ok.. seemingly obvious YET online sources declare 0-1000 volts AC and 0-1500 volts DC as Low Volts yet another no no no its 120-1500 DC and 50-1000 AC

IF i take that second reference at FACE value on page 99 in the IET we see a table declaring ES2 at 120 volts DC 50 AC  what is that doiing sat right in the MIDDLE of that table??  and what is ES2?  its not clear and I am in mind

to class ES2 as CLASS II...... furthermore in SELV we see a sodding CP being available as basic protection in some cases?????????  Getting really strapped over this guys..

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  • I got a Question to bounce back with if you don't mind... 1/  WHY "between conductors" and not ground? Is that the 3 phase business and balanced conductors phase and out of phase ??

    Indeed - a.c. comes in a number of varieties - for example you can have 230/400V 3-phase where each line is 230V above Earth or Neutral but there's 400V between any two lines, or 230/460V "split phase" (or 115V-0-115V used on industrial hand tools). Even with d.c. you can have +ve, 0V and -ve rails- e.g. +12V/0/-12V giving 24V between the two outer lines.

    Most of the time when we're considering electric shock it's under single fault conditions where a line conductor comes into contact with something that can be touched (typically an exposed-conductive-part) - in those cases the voltage between lines is pretty irrelevant - as it's just the voltage to Earth that's  imposed on the victim (or a proportion of it). Direct contact with two different lines simultaneously is normally prevented by basic insulation (or enclosures etc) and would require multiple simultaneous faults to allow it to happen - which mostly so unlikely we can ignore the possibility.. The voltage between lines only becomes significant where someone could easily touch two different lines simultaneously - that shouldn't happen in LV systems, but can sometimes be a risk in some ELV systems where basic insulation might be omitted - think of some of those ELV lighting system where light fittings are suspended from a pair of bare wires stretched between two walls.

    The factor between voltages between lines and between one line an Earth on the common 3-phase a.c. system is √3 (or about 1.73) - which (with a bit of rounding off) is what you see between the stated limits for LV systems - so maybe think about it as deciding on a single voltage limit that a victim might be exposed to, but then writing it down in a way that's recognisable both to those doing single phase and those doing 3-phase work.

       - Andy.

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  • I got a Question to bounce back with if you don't mind... 1/  WHY "between conductors" and not ground? Is that the 3 phase business and balanced conductors phase and out of phase ??

    Indeed - a.c. comes in a number of varieties - for example you can have 230/400V 3-phase where each line is 230V above Earth or Neutral but there's 400V between any two lines, or 230/460V "split phase" (or 115V-0-115V used on industrial hand tools). Even with d.c. you can have +ve, 0V and -ve rails- e.g. +12V/0/-12V giving 24V between the two outer lines.

    Most of the time when we're considering electric shock it's under single fault conditions where a line conductor comes into contact with something that can be touched (typically an exposed-conductive-part) - in those cases the voltage between lines is pretty irrelevant - as it's just the voltage to Earth that's  imposed on the victim (or a proportion of it). Direct contact with two different lines simultaneously is normally prevented by basic insulation (or enclosures etc) and would require multiple simultaneous faults to allow it to happen - which mostly so unlikely we can ignore the possibility.. The voltage between lines only becomes significant where someone could easily touch two different lines simultaneously - that shouldn't happen in LV systems, but can sometimes be a risk in some ELV systems where basic insulation might be omitted - think of some of those ELV lighting system where light fittings are suspended from a pair of bare wires stretched between two walls.

    The factor between voltages between lines and between one line an Earth on the common 3-phase a.c. system is √3 (or about 1.73) - which (with a bit of rounding off) is what you see between the stated limits for LV systems - so maybe think about it as deciding on a single voltage limit that a victim might be exposed to, but then writing it down in a way that's recognisable both to those doing single phase and those doing 3-phase work.

       - Andy.

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