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Free Energy Nationwide, (offering smart meter removals)?

Hi, I've been in an online discussion, about having a smart meter removed. I keep saying that only the DNO can do this but... some of them, online, insist that this company will do it for you and not go through the local DNO! 

The company suggested is "Free Energy Nationwide." The online people keep saying it is legal. for an electrician, to remove the smart meters... I say that you cannot as it has to go via the DNO!

I did a quick search, on them, to find they dissolved in 2013 and, in the link provided, was a poor email address.

Any info on this, please?

Thanks... Tom

  • Tom look up MOCoPA. an electrician cannot just change meters.The company changing meters needs to be a MOCoPA authorised business to start with and there operatives need to be MOCoPA trained. When I worked for a DNO/REC we were issued with a blue book authorising us to remove fuses or what ever we had been "trained" to do, ie single or 3 phase work.

  • On-line people say all sorts of rubbish.  They will probably quote the Magna Carta at you to justify it.  The meter belongs to whoever is your electricity supplier at the time, and you're not allowed to tamper with it.

  • There is a lot of confusion these days, which probably doesn't help. Metering isn't anything to do with DNOs these days - their responsibility stops at the outgoing terminals of the cut-out (the only time they'll do anything with a meter is just to re-locate an existing one if they're re-positioning a cut-out). The meters belong to the customer's chosen electricity supplier - or sometimes their chosen metering agent (a different company again). As you say though, I can't see that any supplier is going to agree to an unmetered supply to anything that previously required a meter.

         - Andy.

  • Thanks for your reply! 

    I'd not heard of this MOCoPA before... 

    So, you need to be with a DNO, otherwise... the meters' cannot be changed by an electrician?

    Thanks...

  • Hello Simon,

    Thanks for that!

    It's what I was trying to get across, to them BUT... I ended up being the villain and they were having a go at ME saying prove it... etc.

    BUT, with all forums... there's usually a mix of ideas!

    Thanks!

  • Hello Andy,

    Thanks for that info!

    I just had to make sure I was correct and where's the best place to come, for this? Here!

    Thanks...

  • I have read loads of posts' that they say they want their smart meters' removed and the suppliers', (seems that the water companies are also fitting, without the owners consent, smart water meters', too), refuse to do so.

    The removal of these smart meters' is based on causing health problems... can someone insist on having smart meters' removed?

    Thanks!

  • The removal of these smart meters' is based on causing health problems... can someone insist on having smart meters' removed?

    Smart meters are not capable of causing health problems. There was a thread some months ago concerning the matter and it appears that the customer got his way in the end.

    Of course there may now be people who attempt to use the thread as evidence, which isn't entirely helpful.

  • Hello Chris, thanks for your reply!

    I'm not too sure what's going on, with smart meters'... I have seen, as most of us have, reports of health issues, regarding these BUT... I'm not going to push this as I really do not know the truth behind this. I guess the best way forward would be to get readings off of a smart meter. 

    Regards... Tom

  • The thread Chris alludes to is here It got a bit acrimonious and is now locked.

    However, the problem is not, at least in principle, with the concept smart meter, which is little more than an analogue to digital converter and a radio transceiver not much different to a cell phone but without provision for keyboard or audio. The problems such as they are do not affect many people, and appear to be more of poor electronics design, either from an EM emissions perspective (exciting the house and street  wiring as a long wire antenna) and/or from the acoustic generation of ultrasound.
    Part of the problem is that there is a gap in product standards and therefore  testing that means the wired 'emissions' do not have to meet any particular standard, and generally are not even measured, at frequencies below 150KHz, and acoustic effects above the normal audio range are not regulated particularly well either - bad news for bats, cats and dogs.
    In comparison, the levels of radio signal, which generally get the tinfoil hat brigade on the move, are very closely regulated and measured.

    Given that things are not even measured, it is very hard to say with confidence what it anything will happen in any particular situation.

    There are similar problems of conducted interference from solar panels and electronics with switch mode supplies generally, but metering being at a low impedance point in the circuit is quite hard to filter, chokes with 100A current rating and capacitors with a suitable surge voltage rating being  neither small nor cheap.

    Mike.