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2346 not recognised in ROI

The CIty and Guilds 2346 Experienced Worker is now a reasonably established route to achieve recognition as a competent electrician in the U.K. The qualification also embeds a requirement to have the 18th Edition and at least the 2391 initial verification. To apply for an ECS card or QS status with NICEIC, NAPIT or the like, the candidate must also acquire the AM2E. 
The ROI operate a scheme called Safe Electric which controls electrical installation work, particularly in the domestic sector where the work undertaken must be signed off by a Qualified Certifier (QC).

To become a QC, you must have gained an advanced craft certificate in electrical installation which is a level 6 qualification in the ROI and mapped to level 5 on the European Qualification Framework (EQF). Alternatively, if the applicant has gained qualifications outside the ROI, then providing they are equivalent, they will be accepted.

Unfortunately, in the U.K. the NVQ L3 is mapped to a level 4 on the EQF meaning that even someone regarded as fully competent in the U.K. will not be accepted as a QC in the ROI.

I imagine that will be of little consequence to you guys on the mainland but here in NI there is significant draw to the very lucrative electrical installation sector on the domestic side in the ROI.

Quite what the difference is between the qualifications, I have no idea, but one would have expected some collaboration between those who were involved in creating the NVQ L3 and the 2346 in the U.K. and Safe Electric representing our nearest European neighbour. 
Meanwhile, I have quite a few lads who recently gained their 2346, AM2E and the obligatory city and guilds qualification for inspection and testing in ROI who can only sit on the sidelines while the lads in the ROI fill their boots!

  • The criteria that must be met.

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    My wife wants to know if she is right in thinking there’s not any issues with qualifications for electricians trained in the South who want to work in the North. I assume there isn’t, but thought I’d ask to check.

  • An astute question from your good lady! My post relates to Qualified Certifiers who have a similar role to Qualified Supervisors rather than competency issues relating to electricians in the two jurisdictions. However, it would seem that Safe Electric in the ROI have at least paid lip service to qualifications gained elsewhere while the list of acceptable qualifications to be  QS with NICEIC pays no heed to foreign qualifications at all.

    The interesting thing is that, in my experience,  Irish sparkies know more about BS7671 than they do about IS10101. That is likely due to the many who work in the U.K. and who have to do the 18th and 2391 before being deemed competent whereas there doesn’t appear to be a similar insistence on knowledge of regulations in the ROI.

  • This  looks as if it has been written by a GCSE Business studies teenager - How do you define 'technical know how'? What do you need to do in order to demonstrate that you have it? Turn a effing TV set on?

    See item 9.! What does it mean to be an electrician in society? Very woke. Why not focus on the STEM aspects and leave the rest to the social studies class instead.

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    My workshop tutor at college would not have any truck with that specification.

    There is not anything in it about completing work than acceptable standard within an acceptable time frame.

    My tutor being an ex-Britton’s Carpets apprentice who went on to work for the MEB kept drumming into guys that everything had to be completed to a reasonable standard and within an acceptable timeframe or else we would never keep a job or make a living, so there isn’t a place for those who are not fully competent or for that matter people who try to gold plate everything when it’s not been budgeted for.

  • The phrase that comes to mind is in a “timely and workmanlike manner”.

  • See item 9.! What does it mean to be an electrician in society? Very woke.

    Or how do you feel about being an electrician?

  • Workmanlike manner

    The term ‘workmanlike manner’ is commonly used in construction contracts to describe the standard of work and practicerequired from a contractor working on a project. However, its precise meaning is seldom defined in any detail.

    The term tends to be interpreted as a requirement to use the degree of skill, efficiency and knowledge possessed by those working in the trade or business that the contractor has been employed in.

    www.designingbuildings.co.uk/.../Workmanlike_manner

  • Whether that can become Workpersonlike is open to debate 

    english.stackexchange.com/.../is-there-a-gender-neutral-alternative-to-workmanlike-suitable-for-use-in-legal-c


    digitalcommons.unl.edu/.../viewcontent.cgi

  • I don't think that you need to worry about that. See S.6 of the Interpretation Act 1978:

    Gender and number.

    In any Act, unless the contrary intention appears,—

    (a) words importing the masculine gender include the feminine;

    (b) words importing the feminine gender include the masculine;

    (c) words in the singular include the plural and words in the plural include the singular.

    A judge would simply say that the ordinary meaning of the word is what counts.