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Coding for Sockets Following EICR

Gents/Ladies, We have just had an EICR carried out on our premises (industrial) and the following Code C3 as been given for no RCD protection on sockets. I was under the impression that all single phase and three phase sockets up to 32amp were required to have RCD'S/RCBO'S or RCD sockets, unless a written Risk Assessment was issued. Is this correct?

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  • yes, when installing to the current regs. I presume for the avoidance of doubt there is no written RA available ? then it would be OK.

    Without  it the installation could not be installed today. So it is not a clear pass. The question is how dangerous is it? To that end it is worth asking how many other things have to go wrong to get to a dangerous state.

    if it was an immediate danger, like exposed live parts in easy reach it would be a code 1 - "stop using it today".
    Clearly its not that sort of risk.
    If it would become a danger in the event of faulty appliance  or if it was something that disabled the ADS, like a missing earth conductor or a bypassed fuse, then it would be a code 2 - "fix ASAP"

    It is probably not that either, or at least this inspector thinks not - though in some cases it could be, depending what the (not)RCD protected sockets were likely to be used for and if the RCD is essential to avoid a danger condition.

    So in that case it is a a code 3  "improvement recommended but not an immediate matter"


    The only sure fire way to be sure is to ask the inspector, but that is the sort of thinking he or  she should have used.
    Mike.

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  • yes, when installing to the current regs. I presume for the avoidance of doubt there is no written RA available ? then it would be OK.

    Without  it the installation could not be installed today. So it is not a clear pass. The question is how dangerous is it? To that end it is worth asking how many other things have to go wrong to get to a dangerous state.

    if it was an immediate danger, like exposed live parts in easy reach it would be a code 1 - "stop using it today".
    Clearly its not that sort of risk.
    If it would become a danger in the event of faulty appliance  or if it was something that disabled the ADS, like a missing earth conductor or a bypassed fuse, then it would be a code 2 - "fix ASAP"

    It is probably not that either, or at least this inspector thinks not - though in some cases it could be, depending what the (not)RCD protected sockets were likely to be used for and if the RCD is essential to avoid a danger condition.

    So in that case it is a a code 3  "improvement recommended but not an immediate matter"


    The only sure fire way to be sure is to ask the inspector, but that is the sort of thinking he or  she should have used.
    Mike.

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  • The area of which he as picked up on is the engineering department were metal frames are being manufactured, extension leads are used but not many, handheld tools like grinders are also being in the welding bays.

    Thanks in advance 

  • It may be that had there been water or animals or naked bodies the inspectors opinion would have veered towards a C2, these being things that up the risk.

    Sounds like fully clothed and instructed persons rather than random public, so less risk of large area contact shocks, or drunken horseplay, maybe there is a process for inspecting those tools and reporting cut extension leads  that mitigates quite a lot of the risk as well ? Is there a risk in the opposite direction that if the power went off mid weld or whatever suddenly someone could be hurt by that? all things that need to be weighed up - doing an inspection well is not a simple tick box job.

    AND c3 is NOT 'do nothing', rather it is an early warning to start thinking about improvement - can  some sockets be changed to RCD types during maintainence and the rest risk assessed properly? could RCDs be added? just not so serious to be an immediate 'stop the job'.

    Mike.

  • Cheers Mike