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Non compliant wiring carried out on a new build. How do they get away with it.

I carried out an EICR on what was a new build in 2018. The wiring was carried out by a company based in Staverton that also do, or certainly used to run training courses as i did my 2391 there a few years ago.

They have run about 16 meters of meters tails through the structure of the building so presumably covered in insulation, straight from the supply company main switch covered by the main 100amp fuse. The consumer unit is mounted higher than part M stipulates ( not overly but i doubt i would get away with it ) and the tails look like they come down to it tacked behind the plasterboard dab with no rcd protection.

The bathroom and en-suite extractors, neither of which have windows ( not that that makes a difference ) do not have overrun timers so do not comply with building regs. 

The ring earth cores are both sleeved together in 3mm sleeving in the same terminal in every socket, i know not a non compliance but a pain in the backside.

The gas bond clamp was flapping around.

No wonder the state of the wiring in new builds is p-ss poor if the companies that train electricians put out work like this. I presume the whole estate i was on today was done the same.

Gary

  • The long tails are a bit worrying.

    Being a bit of a devil's advocate ...

    The height of the CU is merely a recommendation in the AD. The Regulations themselves state: 

    "M4(1). Reasonable provision must be made for people to—

    (a) gain access to; and

    (b) use, the dwelling and its facilities".

    If the CU is too low, it is not easy to use. Depending upon the room, it needs to be high enough to be out of harm's way. Reach is not the issue - it is being able to read the labels. All but the shortest adults ought to be able to manage 1.8 m.

    Selection of appropriate extractors is not the job of the sparks. In any event, run-on ventilators are not mandatory. As ever the Building Regs are very broad-brush.

    F1.—(1) There shall be adequate means of ventilation provided for people in the building.

    Enclosing the ring cpcs in the same sheath is a bit old-fashioned, but were they twisted round and round and round?

    Is the gas supply really an extraneous CP in a 4 - 5 year old building, so the issue is not flapping about, but the need for one in the first place.

  • Thank you for the reply Chris.  I know i got a bit nit picky after being there for about 30 seconds, i opened the gas box before i entered the property and found the clamp ( why bother fitting it if you're not going to do it properly)  then opened the electric box and found the suppliers isolator with the consumer unit in the centre of the house. I didn't mention the extractors in the report as it wasn't anything to do with electrical safety and i agree about the CU height.  It just winds me up a bit as a sole trader who tries to do everything correctly with a decent eye for attention to detail then come across places like this where its just been chucked in and nobody cares. 

    Gary

  • All but the shortest adults ought to be able to manage 1.8 m.

    from a wheelchair?

        - Andy

  • How do they get away with it.

    Presumably because those who are supposed to make sure things are done right have a preference for believing abstract bit of paper over physical reality....

       - Andy.

  • A wheelchair user is likely to have multiple adaptations at home, but when visiting an M4(1) dwelling, the householder would be responsible for attending to a CU.

  • Gary, I applaud your meticulous approach. Tomorrow, the decorators finish our entrance hall and stairs. Their attention to detail is splendid, but that is why we have done business with the same decorator a number of times. I dare say that we could have had the work done for half the price in half the time, but that would have been half as much wasted. A substantial amount of their work was rectifying poor previous work.

  • Many years ago I was working for the EEB as an inspector when I had to go and connect a row of new houses on an estate.

    Strangly enough I knew the contractors had a certain time to bring the earthing/bonding cable sizes up to the current standard, So they didn't get connected by me. They ordered me to go back and connect them so I pointed out the information I had and the contractor had had sent by the EEB to all contractors working in the region. Apparently the information was not passed onto those who carried out the work either at contractor or inspector level. It seems I was the only one who had the instruction in writing. Someone else was sent and I refused to go. I don't really know how I lasted so lon before I resigned!! 

  • You only have to search "snagging new build uk" on youtube and tiktok to see the plethora of videos snagging bad construction. The site managers must be blind. A whole new industry has sprouted up snagging just new builds. Not surprising if the electrical install would be of same standard.

  • I don't think there is enough bottom to top progression in the trades - many of these white collar wallahs come straight from uni without ever having seen, let alone used a trowel. A similar parallel can be drawn with today's MPs and civil servants. No Real World experience, just a degree in PPE straight from uni without a *** clue about anything else.