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Electrical noise created by 3ph machine

Hello all

Life long sparky... semi-retired now, but working at a local workshop

The company had a local (rather shoddy) electrical company come in and re-supply a 3ph, 35A per phase painting/spray machine.    It was fed before and created flickering in the office fluorescent lights.

But, it still does it.  The fluorescent lights in the offices on the mezzanine nearby flicker when the machine pulls a high load.

It's fed from a sub DB that has a 125A, 25mm 3ph SWA supply (This run is considerable from the incomer - probably somewhere like 70M+.   

Machine MCB is 32A

They used 6mm 5 core SY cable (I would have gone 10mm) over a 25M run.  But they laid it on top of (not in) a 4" galv trunking with T&E inside.  Entirely possible the lighting feeds run within this trunking.

I may unstitch the cable and move it away from the trunking, but I am not entirely convinced that is the issue.

Any ideas on what to try?  

Personally, I would rewire the machine directly back to the incoming mains cupboard, but that is no easy task.

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  • A 20A lighting circuit sounds a bit on the high side,  though 16A driving ES lamp fittings used to be quite common in the days of big bulbs .  (1960s 250W filament lamp anyone ?)
    Would be typical if the light fittings plugged in with 13A plugs, but then it is a socket circuit with switches, not a lighting cct. In any case not against the rules, just odd.

    But, if it is 1.5mm it may be a bit undersized depending on cable grouping factors and so on,  (or if you prefer, a bit over-fused), but in practice most unlikley to be an issue - and it may have been done to avoid a need for C or D type breakers rated at a lower current.

    Mike

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  • A 20A lighting circuit sounds a bit on the high side,  though 16A driving ES lamp fittings used to be quite common in the days of big bulbs .  (1960s 250W filament lamp anyone ?)
    Would be typical if the light fittings plugged in with 13A plugs, but then it is a socket circuit with switches, not a lighting cct. In any case not against the rules, just odd.

    But, if it is 1.5mm it may be a bit undersized depending on cable grouping factors and so on,  (or if you prefer, a bit over-fused), but in practice most unlikley to be an issue - and it may have been done to avoid a need for C or D type breakers rated at a lower current.

    Mike

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  • Only 250W? Thats for girls!

    1000W GES tungsten lamps in vitreous enamel reflectors! Thats proper factory lighting.

    You didnt need heating either! Rows & Rows of 500W or 1000W fittings all beaming down their IR.

  • Ha!

    Not my job but a colleagues, but over your self heating factory, I'll raise you a tale of metal parabolic reflector fittings on rusting jack chains that flickered when the hanger doors opened and they swayed in the wind.

    Closer inspection revealed a single rubber cotton covered snaking down between the chainlinks and into each lamp-holder . OK, that means the chains must be - surely not?  -ah well that is why they flicker then  ... as the rust slides and makes and breaks the return path.

    The past is sometimes a different world in terms of H and S, paperwork  and attitudes to  what is acceptable generally.

    But you are right, I've never had to change a 1000W lamp, except theatrical and that's not real wiring, or at least the real wiring rules do not apply - and I'm pretty sure that I've never needed more than a half inch socket set to do up a terminal either,  so maybe I'm just a low power softie really ;-)

    Mike