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Hi all new here so be nice, I'm sure you are all aware of the latest guidelines of Electricians now having to be qualified the same as a QS to enable to carrying DB swaps and EICRS, I know for a fact most of the industry is ignoring it in the domestic world... I'm guessing the way they are mitigating this new 'risk' element  it is the phrases of 'close and detailed' and 'or be able to demonstrate suitable competence' 

Do you guys have anything that's popped up in here before or is it end of got to have the same as a QS end of.

E.g an engineer who has been working in the industry 30 years has a level 3 NVQ (but not the proper am2 backed one) but has 18th and 2391, under these rules they are deemed level 2 and cannot perform level 3 tasks without being labelled a high risk and under close and detailed supervision. Has anyone else had to deal with this as it seems we have cut out the majority of the experience from the industry or are companies just ignoring it?

Thoughts?

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  • It is becoming the norm for clients to demand a breakdown of the qualifications of personnel along with a management oversight strategy. Almost all public bodies in NI will have that built into the pre-tender process. Whether it gets policed or not when the works commence is another matter. 
    The system is a wee bit better than the madness that hitherto prevailed. There is one hospital project in Belfast, where the electrical installation was mostly put together by farmers, taxi drivers and the like. Those were the days when the main electrical contractor could employ a labour only sub-contractor who could use who he liked to complete the job. Suddenly 200 “sparks” could magically descend on the job within a days notice when the pressure was on! 
    When I was contracting, I had a great wee team. One guy was a firefighter who came in on his days off, another was a dairy farmer, both with absolutely superb pair of hands, but both were properly supervised and attended to the bulk of a sparks work that is relatively unskilled such as installing trunking, tray, swa etc. 
    It seems now that the desire is to have all these tasks undertaken by NVQ L3 electricians with 2391 and up to date wiring regs qualifications. 
    No need for that if the guys are properly supervised and trained up on the health and safety side of things.

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  • It is becoming the norm for clients to demand a breakdown of the qualifications of personnel along with a management oversight strategy. Almost all public bodies in NI will have that built into the pre-tender process. Whether it gets policed or not when the works commence is another matter. 
    The system is a wee bit better than the madness that hitherto prevailed. There is one hospital project in Belfast, where the electrical installation was mostly put together by farmers, taxi drivers and the like. Those were the days when the main electrical contractor could employ a labour only sub-contractor who could use who he liked to complete the job. Suddenly 200 “sparks” could magically descend on the job within a days notice when the pressure was on! 
    When I was contracting, I had a great wee team. One guy was a firefighter who came in on his days off, another was a dairy farmer, both with absolutely superb pair of hands, but both were properly supervised and attended to the bulk of a sparks work that is relatively unskilled such as installing trunking, tray, swa etc. 
    It seems now that the desire is to have all these tasks undertaken by NVQ L3 electricians with 2391 and up to date wiring regs qualifications. 
    No need for that if the guys are properly supervised and trained up on the health and safety side of things.

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