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 '3 out of 5' star review on a well known on-line retail site that initially sold books ...

The review was for the double-entry ferrules, from a well-known (and as far as I know reputable) brand of wire end ferrules and their crimp tools, as follows:

Sizes don't match!

Well made but the 2.5 mm2 terminal is too tight to be used for 2.5mm2 Twin and earth cable.

Now, I know it's likely to be possible to actually deform the two solid round 2.5 sq mm csa copper cores into a single square or hexagonal profile with an area of around 6 to 7 sq mm (with quite some force - well in excess of that usually applied to ferrules), but .... you'd actually need a 3.8 mm minimum inner diameter tube (equivalent to just over 11 sq mm area) to guarantee to get two 2.5 sq mm solid round conductors in side-by-side !

So, we sit back and think about how obvious (to us) it might be that you would never easily get 2 round conductors with 2.5 sq mm csa if you had an approx 5 sq mm csa tube ... well, it's a little over 5 sq mm, actually between 6.2 and 7.3 sq mm, as the diameter is minimum 2.8 mm and max 3.05 mm for the twin 2.5 sq mm ferrule, whereas the minimum diameter for 2.5 sq mm using formula for area of a circle is 1.78 mm (incidentally, from BS EN 60228, the maximum diameter of 2.5 sq mm class 1 conductor is 1.9 mm), but again ...

Sadly, that reminded me ... I just happen to know it will be a very tight squeeze, or perhaps not quite possible, to get two of the absolute maximum diameter of a 2.5 sq mm 7-strand class 2 stranded conductor to BS EN 60228 into that 2.8 mm (minimum) diameter tube. In general it will be OK for 2x2.5 sq mm Class 2 7-strand in the majority of ferrule tubes (assuming a standard deviation across each of the 2.8 mm to 3.05 mm inner diameter range of the ferrule, and 1.78 to 1.90 mm diameter range of the diameter of the solid cores of the 2.5 sq mm) ... but not at the extreme of the thinnest ferrule and thickest permitted 2.5 sq mm solid round conductor.

So, on that particular day when everything's going wrong and you are struggling to get those two Class 2 stranded conductors into the twin ferrule, either strip back, and/or pick up another ferrule ... and just perhaps the slight changes in diameter will resolve that problem.

  • Graham, thank you for your thought-provoking thread, but I am bound to wonder why you were paddling up that long river in Brasil. Thinking

  • For some reason, I am now visualising somebody poking both the live conductors of some T&E into the same ferrule. Rolling eyes

    It does seem to be an odd way of expressing the size: I think that it is perfectly reasonable to assume that, "twin 2.5 mm²" means that the capacity is 5.0 mm². And it is no use going up one or two sizes to find one which will fit because only the most tiddly cable sizes double up: 0.5/1.0 and 0.75/1.5. Then again, I suppose that you could combine one 1.5 mm² cable with another 1.0 mm² one and so on.

  • I think plain and simple, ferrules are ONLY suitable for stranded conductors Class 2, 5 and 6, as clearly stated in DIN 46228-4 (insulated entry type) or DIN 46228-1 (non-insulated type).

    Which is why the standard has the tube dimensions for each set of wire sizes.

    BUT

    Twin-entry ferrules, whilst permitted by manufacturers of specialist terminals (e.g. Weidmüller) are not specifically covered in the Table of preferred sizes in DIN 46228-4.

    Hence, the tubes for twin-entry ferrules are one (either the next size above or two sizes above) of the single-entry tubes (it's the insulating collar that's differently dimensioned, of course, to an oblong shape, because of the 2 x diameter issue I explained above). For example 2x2.5 uses the 1x4.0 tube sizes.

  • Hence, the tubes for twin-entry ferrules are one (either the next size above or two sizes above) of the single-entry tubes (it's the insulating collar that's differently dimensioned, of course, to an oblong shape, because of the 2 x diameter issue I explained above). For example 2x2.5 uses the 1x4.0 tube sizes.

    I thought about that - the manufacturers would stick with a set range of sizes of metal tubes and then fix single or double entry plastic bits. However, if they can make different plastic bits, there is no reason why they cannot make different metal bits.

    All in all, I don't think we are talking about power transmission, but more likely, control cables.

  • All in all, I don't think we are talking about power transmission, but more likely, control cables.

    In Machinery (BS EN IEC 60204-1) and Switchgear and Controlgear Assemblies (BS EN IEC 41649 series), it's both power and auxiliary/control circuits.

    I'm also seeing ferrules used more and more for Class 2, 5 and 6 conductors in electrical installation practice across the board. I have to admit, I do like them for stranded conductors in 'fixed installation', especially Class 5 and Class 6 (flex and extra-flex) but as you'll know most of my working life hasn't been domestic and definitely includes experience with control panels and some more highly regulated environments.

    I replaced an outdoor light switch in the garage at home, which had failed. My garage is all singles in plastic conduit and trunking, and of course the "same old" bits of strand dropped out when I undid the light switch terminals - so I fitted ferrules to help maintenance next time the switch needs to be replaced. I always use uninsulated ones when wiring plugs and trailing sockets-outlets too when I can these days.

  • Then again, I suppose that you could combine one 1.5 mm² cable with another 1.0 mm² one and so on

    Yes, seen this, but not sure it's been strictly considered, and would wonder whether ferrule manufacturers would warrant it'd be OK