protective bonding connection point (TN-S or TN-C)

Question on the correct point to bond extraneous-conductive parts to and what CSA to use for TN-C and TN-S systems

We have two control panels in a plant room supplying a number of different loads (pumps and heaters). Both of the control cabinets have separate supplies and CPC’s (TN-S system) and are supplied from a main distribution switchboard located in a separate room – the main distribution board is on a TN-C  system.

Supplementary bonding isn’t necessarily required for this installation but obviously we want to bond any extraneous-conductive parts so as to keep touch voltages between accessible metalwork below 50V in the event of an earth fault

The control cabinet line conductors are 185sqmm (although the actual CPC’s according to adiabatic and keeping Zs to appropriate values need only be 25sqmm, nevertheless the total Cu equivalent c.s.a. for the Steel armour is about 80sqmm)  

Option 1 : Would you bond the extraneous parts back to the control cabinet MET’s and the control cabinets to each other (they are located next to each other so can be touched at the same time) – BS7671: the protective bonding not less than half required CPC ... so 16sqmm or the maximum being 25sqmm size for TN-S system. 

Option 2: Would you bond extraneous conductive parts back to the main distribution board MET with 50sqmm [max size required forTN-C system) as the main dist. Board line conductors are over 150sqmm (I’m not sure if you can apply the adiabatic in this instance??)

Option 3: would you bond extraneous-conductive parts back to the control cabinets with 16 or 25sqmm AND back to the main distribution TN-C system with 50sqmm ?

 

For me, if it is option 1 then this would result in a lower touch voltage that option 2. but i'm not sure which option is the correct one according to the regs.  And if option 1 then the 50sqmm rule for TN-C systems need not apply and my protective bonding need only be max 25sqmm ?

bonding to the main distribution MET Ut=22V (fine) 

bonding to final control cabinet METs Ut =16V 

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  • Ok so we cannot agree what to call the earth terminals, I suspect the original questioner is not so bothered about that but it is interesting.
    More important is where to bond things to. This will depend rather on how things are laid out. If cabinet 1 and cabinet 2 are within reach of each  other, and their supplies are taken from adjacent places on the main board,  then really they are as if  they had been in one larger box, and one and could/ should be at similar voltages. The the extraneous parts bond back to either or both of them and no-one blinks. (assuming the cabinets are adequately earthed for the supply that feeds them)
    But, if they are apart, and the extreme would be separate buildings, then the 2 cabinets both need to each be bonded to the services and any building steel in each zone - you cannot rely on the bonding in a far away place, nor that no-one will ever work on the plumbing and end up with a hand on either side of a break where a tap is replaced or something.

    And ideally if the water or gas  pipes passes near the main incomer, bond there as well as then that becomes the full size main bond and reduces the requirement to bond locally.

    M.

  • More important is where to bond things to. This will depend rather on how things are laid out. If cabinet 1 and cabinet 2 are within reach of each  other, and their supplies are taken from adjacent places on the main board,  then really they are as if  they had been in one larger box, and one and could/ should be at similar voltages.

    It also depends on what is in scope of BS 7671, and what is in the scope of other standards. If the control cabinets are for anything classed as Machinery, which includes parts of HVAC systems, then the protective bonding circuit for the Machinery should comply with BS EN 60204-1.

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  • More important is where to bond things to. This will depend rather on how things are laid out. If cabinet 1 and cabinet 2 are within reach of each  other, and their supplies are taken from adjacent places on the main board,  then really they are as if  they had been in one larger box, and one and could/ should be at similar voltages.

    It also depends on what is in scope of BS 7671, and what is in the scope of other standards. If the control cabinets are for anything classed as Machinery, which includes parts of HVAC systems, then the protective bonding circuit for the Machinery should comply with BS EN 60204-1.

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