MCCB required but Ze too high

One of my old customers has deciding whether to buy a big compressor that requires a 160A  TP supply. He asked me to help him work out what is needed for the job to see if it is a worth doing. The site TNCS Ze is 0.23 so this will put the Zs above any 160A MCCB max limit. So I think we would have to go down the route of having earth fault protection on the MCCB to cover this.

My question is that as the compressor is inverter driven, am I going to be having issues with the earth fault tripping all the time?  Or is there an alternative route I should be looking at?

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  • Also some loop testers aren't particularly good on very low impedance systems - some models seem better at estimating resistance than reactance, so can be thrown in situations where the reactance dominates. The phrase "fruit machine" has been used before in this context.

       - Andy.

  • Can you apply regulation 419.3 ?

  • Tricky for an entire installation - you'd have to keep the the resistance between every pair of accessible parts (exposed- and extraneous) below 50V/Ia - for a 160A MCCB Ia might be in the region of 1250A - so R ≤ 50/1250 = 0.04Ω - you'd need some pretty fat c.pc.s/supplementary bonding conductors and probably some gold plated bonding clamps.

       - Andy.

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  • Tricky for an entire installation - you'd have to keep the the resistance between every pair of accessible parts (exposed- and extraneous) below 50V/Ia - for a 160A MCCB Ia might be in the region of 1250A - so R ≤ 50/1250 = 0.04Ω - you'd need some pretty fat c.pc.s/supplementary bonding conductors and probably some gold plated bonding clamps.

       - Andy.

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  • so R ≤ 50/1250 = 0.04Ω - you'd need some pretty fat c.pc.s/supplementary bonding conductors and probably some gold plated bonding clamps.

    And at 40 mΩ we're getting down to the resolution (including service error) of a normal continuity or multifunction tester here ...  fault currents any higher, and we're into using a ductor tester or similar with resolution of 1 μΩ or 0.1 μΩ ... and the difficulties of contact resistance when taking (usually 4-wire) measurements.

    BUT ... that is of course worst-case (based on cpc back to MET, ignoring any supplementary bonding paths that you might add).

  • What about the max limits of the Schneider 2.2 MCCB ?

  • What would be the implications of not adhering to regulation 411.3.3.1, given that there are no parts that can be accessed simultaneously, and the circuit conforms to the standards of regulation 434.5.2?

  • Hmm thats interesting, I'd not thought of going down that route of a MCCB control unit. Being inverter driven there would be no start up high current to worry about and it wouldn't cause issues with leakage nuisance tripping

  • I use the 4.3 when I need IΔn] earth-leakage protection sensitivity adjustment range for example to comply with regulation 422.3.9