UPS floating

(UK based industrial equipment to comply with BS 7671, operated by skilled authorised personnel.)

I have several class I devices that are supplied via a 230VAC 2200VA UPS which itself is supplied from the ‘mains’ via a single pole C16Amp 30mA  RCBO

When the UPS is in ‘bypass’ or ‘online’ mode the upstream mains supply is the primary supply source and protection against electric shock is achieved through the usual means of basic protection and automatic disconnection of the supply.

When the mains circuit breaker is off or has tripped due to an earth fault the UPS battery and inverter take over as the new supply source (unsurprisingly), but now none of its load side live conductors are bonded to earth. The UPS will continue to detect short circuits and overloads and consequently shut itself down but obviously won’t detect a single fault to earth.

Does this installation effectively become an IT system when the UPS is the supply source and should I make use of various monitoring devices (411.6.3) or is the installation forever deemed a TN system and fault protection switches from ADS to electrical separation? I’m struggling to see how I can comply with the latter (see 413.3.6) because the exposed conductive parts of the class I devices are permanently bonded to earth.

The UPS isn’t supplying emergency services, just a request by the customer so as to keep some basic control equipment operating and logging data whilst the plant shuts itself down.

Advice always greatly appreciated!

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  • I've had a reply from Schneider APC regarding my model of UPS (SRT2200RMXLI)

    [APC] "Since both poles will be disconnected from the supply thus creating an IT system. The supply has then no reference to the earth so the first fault is not a safety hazard."

    Agree disagree??

    based on their statement if i'm to follow BS 7671: 411.6 [IT system when in battery mode] I have a question on what is meant by 411.6.1 NOTE 1 "It is strongly recommended that IT systems with distributed Neutrals should not be employed"  ...

    So I'm not sure I understand the meaning of this when a neutral has to be employed for 230VAC equipment?  or is it the that my two live conductors from the UPS are now deemed L-L not L-N

    And regarding the point on regulation 551.4.3.2.1  I read this as only being relevant when the generating set (my UPS) provides a supply for 'distribution to the public' ... 

    firstly, the UPS is only feeding several fixed items of equipment (no socket outlets or other DB boards) so no one can easily utilise the power from the UPS for their own means -  is this still distribution? 

    and secondly, do the limited number of skilled authorised personel in the plant room qualify as 'public' ?

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  • I've had a reply from Schneider APC regarding my model of UPS (SRT2200RMXLI)

    [APC] "Since both poles will be disconnected from the supply thus creating an IT system. The supply has then no reference to the earth so the first fault is not a safety hazard."

    Agree disagree??

    based on their statement if i'm to follow BS 7671: 411.6 [IT system when in battery mode] I have a question on what is meant by 411.6.1 NOTE 1 "It is strongly recommended that IT systems with distributed Neutrals should not be employed"  ...

    So I'm not sure I understand the meaning of this when a neutral has to be employed for 230VAC equipment?  or is it the that my two live conductors from the UPS are now deemed L-L not L-N

    And regarding the point on regulation 551.4.3.2.1  I read this as only being relevant when the generating set (my UPS) provides a supply for 'distribution to the public' ... 

    firstly, the UPS is only feeding several fixed items of equipment (no socket outlets or other DB boards) so no one can easily utilise the power from the UPS for their own means -  is this still distribution? 

    and secondly, do the limited number of skilled authorised personel in the plant room qualify as 'public' ?

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  • Well they have confirmed it does what you think, and floats the output. Given it is feeding a conventionally wired building, it is not really supplying a pure IT system, but for sure you can short the live to chassis of some kit, or to terra-firma, and nothing trips until the power is restored to mains so as they say,  first fault is a no trip.

    It is indeed not really what '7671 recommends for a UPS.

    However, it is not that dangerous.,,

    Mike.

  • Disconnection  in the event of a first line fault to earth is not essential. In the event of two faults precaution must be taken. All exposed conductive parts are required to be earthed and The sum of the earth electrode and protective conductor connecting exposed conductive parts multiplied by the fault current between line and part needs to be less than or equal to 50 V. The conductors are deemed L1 and L2 on the output side of  a isolating transformer.
    Distributed  neutrals can cause harmonics,power quality issues, problems with electromagnetic compatibility. 

  • And regarding the point on regulation 551.4.3.2.1  I read this as only being relevant when the generating set (my UPS) provides a supply for 'distribution to the public' ... 

    Nope, it's when the input to the UPS is connected to a public supply, and effectively the bypass is used to supply the downstream ("UPS supplied") equipment from the public supply. In that case, the bypass switching is the equipment that switches between UPS output and public supply - the UPS output is the "switched alternative".