IP rated plug in ceiling rose

Hi All

I think I have asked a similar question a few years ago but I'm throwing it out there again incase any new products have come to market since then. Im looking for an IP44 rated (or higher) plug in ceiling rose or similar to connect to luminaires at high level. Its an agricultural install so IP44 is a minimum. Following suggestions the previous time I asked. I was using IP55 socket outlets with a standard 13a plugtop to fulfil this but a plug in ceiling rose or similar with the necessary IP rating would be the ideal solution. Does anyone know of such an item available out there?

thanks

Peter

  • If it's agricultural could you not just use a 16amp commando socket ?

    Gary

  • Hi Gary

    Yes that would be an option however I would be looping in n and out to go from one fitting to the next  and also the installation is pvc conduit and singles which a standard 16a commando socket wouldn’t have many conduit entry points unless I used the larger switched variety and then it becomes a bit of overkill.

    Peter

  • It may not be beautiful but it would be suitable to put the ceiling rose klik connector in an IP66 box via a stuffing gland.  Thus requiring a tool to open box and give better IP rating and also a better IK rating.  Being agricultural they will probably go for cost and function over aesthetics.

  • Hi Sergio

    Yes something like this did come to mind however the only downside would be that to remove the fitting for maintenance or whatever, you would have to disconnect the flex out of the fitting as you would be unable to unplug and remove the flex as it would be fed through the box. It is a possibility as an option to my problem however

  • I would favour suitably IP rated 13 amp sockets. Relatively cheap and simple, and the local fuse in each plug can produce economies elsewhere in the installation. For example a single 32 amp circuit instead of three 10 amp circuits. 13 amp sockets have much greater terminal capacity than dedicated lighting connectors.

  • you could have conduit tees or even round boxes beside 16A surface sockets. But another approach is something in a flap lid IP box then the connector can be anything that fits the normal socket pattern and ccan be IP20 or whatever. Allows one handed unplugging.

    e.g. https://cpc.farnell.com/eterna/ssbe/1g-waterproof-accessory-box/dp/LA04534?

    Mike

  • I was using the Gewiss IP55 single socket. The ones with the clear flexible plastic front door that flips up to put the plug in. I liked them until recently when I discovered on the Gewiss website that the IP55 rating only applied with the door closed I.e. nothing plugged in. I contacted their technical department and they said that they don’t test it with something plugged in, so offers no IP rating when in use. 

  • There are plenty of standard IP rated sockets that the door closes over the plug top. Click/MK/BG etc

    Gary

  • I am a bit surprised that it needs to be plug in? Why is that please?

  • Some designs require that nothing be plugged in if the IP rating is to be maintained. This is more sensible than it sounds, the intended use is outdoors in say a domestic garden, where the socket outlet is exposed to rain in wet weather. It is only intended to be USED in dry weather, who mows the lawn in the rain ? Should not be used with say outdoor lighting, or slow chargers for EVs that might be left plugged in in wet weather.