Thats the problem with prescriptive "Lists" and those making the "Lists" only do so for a certain period of time looking in the past or as some of you have stated looking back to the competency qualifications and registered apprenticeship schemes in the 70's and 80's.

I started my apprenticeship in 1981, first class of apprentices to use the "New" 15th edition. I gained my C&G 236 Pts 1 and 2, my "C" course. I have my letter from the SJIB And contractors Association of Scotland ( Days before SELECT) Endorsing my apprenticeship and now a craftsperson and over the years have always updated my C&G regs courses and also did the original C&G 2391 course. I have always renewed my SJIB Technician electrician Gold card in fact its due for renewal next spring.

Although its been many years since I was a NICEIC QS in fact I was a NICEIC Haz area QS. Looks like if I wanted to be a QS for a NICEIC firm, suddenly my skill set, qualifications which I still have originals of plus 42 years exeprience and CPD records are all out the window???

That is plain to me wrong. So a newer carftsperson with modern quals and AM2 and a few years out of their time can be a QS but myself with say additional 35 years experience is suddenly seen as less able and non compliant?? I think a good ground for discrimination based on age. Its all very well saying Gareth... no issues you will eat the new course and AM2 just do it? Why? what do I need to prove. Its a tick box excersise and makes life easy for decision makers. Rather than perhaps, ok you dont have the criteria on the list, why not do a simple tech interview and you will soon know if I can cut the mustard.

I get CPD, no issues at all.

Other point is, what does the Law say? and that is be competent, so Reg 16 of the EAWR 1989 etc, if something goes wrong and you are in a court room, all you need to demonstrate is competence. Paper certs etc help. But the work I do now investigating installations where things have went wrong and went on fire or system failure. I can assure you in 95% of cases the misdemeanor and errors were created by so called certificate, gold card and AM2 holders often working for NICEIC firms, the very people that can get EAS approval!!!

The new craftsperson 2 years out their apprenticeship, has two years "Experience", I have 42 years "Experience"  plus the paper trail of my quals, so I would like to think the younger person isnt credited and Im disadvantaged.

Rant over...........

GTB 

Thats the problem with prescriptive "Lists" and those making the "Lists" only do so for a certain period of time looking in the past or as some of you have stated looking back to the competency qualifications and registered apprenticeship schemes in the 70's and 80's.

I started my apprenticeship in 1981, first class of apprentices to use the "New" 15th edition. I gained my C&G 236 Pts 1 and 2, my "C" course. I have my letter from the SJIB And contractors Association of Scotland ( Days before SELECT) Endorsing my apprenticeship and now a craftsperson and over the years have always updated my C&G regs courses and also did the original C&G 2391 course. I have always renewed my SJIB Technician electrician Gold card in fact its due for renewal next spring.

Although its been many years since I was a NICEIC QS in fact I was a NICEIC Haz area QS. Looks like if I wanted to be a QS for a NICEIC firm, suddenly my skill set, qualifications which I still have originals of plus 42 years exeprience and CPD records are all out the window???

That is plain to me wrong. So a newer carftsperson with modern quals and AM2 and a few years out of their time can be a QS but myself with say additional 35 years experience is suddenly seen as less able and non compliant?? I think a good ground for discrimination based on age. Its all very well saying Gareth... no issues you will eat the new course and AM2 just do it? Why? what do I need to prove. Its a tick box excersise and makes life easy for decision makers. Rather than perhaps, ok you dont have the criteria on the list, why not do a simple tech interview and you will soon know if I can cut the mustard.

I get CPD, no issues at all.

Other point is, what does the Law say? and that is be competent, so Reg 16 of the EAWR 1989 etc, if something goes wrong and you are in a court room, all you need to demonstrate is competence. Paper certs etc help. But the work I do now investigating installations where things have went wrong and went on fire or system failure. I can assure you in 95% of cases the misdemeanor and errors were created by so called certificate, gold card and AM2 holders often working for NICEIC firms, the very people that can get EAS approval!!!

The new craftsperson 2 years out their apprenticeship, has two years "Experience", I have 42 years "Experience"  plus the paper trail of my quals, so I would like to think the younger person isnt credited and Im disadvantaged.

Rant over...........

GTB 

Superb post.

I did the 2361 and 2362 as yourself starting mine in 1980 with the 14th then onto the 15th. Lost my 'letter' long ago.

And as with yourself I guess we all see those having completed AM2 with so little experience receive 'gradings' to work on sites that so many older electricians are prohibited!