City and Guilds 2330

Has anyone studied CG2330 and subsequently discovered problems with it? 

We're in the process of promoting one of our employees to a QS position (we're with the NICEIC) and having completed all the forms, it turns out that the technical certificate he did in his apprenticeship in 2011 is now not worth anything. Certainly it isn't deemed suitable as a craft qualification for a QS role anyway. It seems that in their wisdom, the EAS (who are they anyway??) have decided that suitable level 3 qualifications do not now include the CG2330 and have unilaterally decided to remove it, despite it once being accredited as the recognised technical certificate of apprenticeships for several years. He clearly had no choice in the technical certificate he studied, it was just part of his apprenticeship at the time.

So an electrician with a full apprenticeship under his belt and over 12 years industry experience is now deemed not as qualified as an apprentice completing their studies in 2023, or an adult trainee having completed an intensive 28 day training course. They honestly think this is reducing electrical incidents? The NICEIC are typically not interested at all and have ruled out any form of appeals procedure where it can be justified that his experience and once-recognised qualifications are just as viable as anything being taught today. Their only solution is to suggest he takes an additional course. The organisation doesn't seem the least bit interested in standards of electrical safety, they're just happy to take customer's money off them. On top of this are the amazing double-standards and confusion in this industry. He can apply for a JIB gold card as approved electrician (the ECS & JIB accept his qualifications - it's just the EAS that don't).

How on Earth do we try and get some uniformity with the these different organisations (ECA, JIB, ECS, EAS etc etc etc) and get them all singing off the same hymn sheet? Is there any point trying to lobby anyone to look at the blatant discrimination at play with retrospectively degrading someone's apprenticeship? This is unfairly hampering career progression and we can't be the only ones affected.

Parents
  • I qualified under the 2330 in 2006 and worked on the London underground upgrade as a sparky for the preceding 5 years before moving to Aus. I  2021 I returned and endeavoured to get my gold card where I believed teading my Aussie licenses for the gold was a simple conversion. JIB informed me that during covid, that avenue had been shut down, no explanation. I was informed that if I wanted the card, I had to perform various tasks over 18 months and be assessed by an accredited professional in order to be signed of. Wasn't doing that. I pottered around for a few years doing odds and  sods before deciding to go back into contracting. In one   year, I have applied for various improver roles as well as installer positions but as yet nothing. One agency, offered me a role as a mate, at 13 pound an hour and then give it to someone else, this is even though they have all of my certifications.  It seems that the 2330 carries the same stigma as a plaque.

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  • I qualified under the 2330 in 2006 and worked on the London underground upgrade as a sparky for the preceding 5 years before moving to Aus. I  2021 I returned and endeavoured to get my gold card where I believed teading my Aussie licenses for the gold was a simple conversion. JIB informed me that during covid, that avenue had been shut down, no explanation. I was informed that if I wanted the card, I had to perform various tasks over 18 months and be assessed by an accredited professional in order to be signed of. Wasn't doing that. I pottered around for a few years doing odds and  sods before deciding to go back into contracting. In one   year, I have applied for various improver roles as well as installer positions but as yet nothing. One agency, offered me a role as a mate, at 13 pound an hour and then give it to someone else, this is even though they have all of my certifications.  It seems that the 2330 carries the same stigma as a plaque.

Children
  • Yes, going back to this, I paid for the C&G 2346 two years ago. I know I've been a bit slow about it, but I never got it finished. Anyway, I got a call 2 weeks ago, saying I need to get it done by the end of October. Fair enough. Then I got a phone call, it need to be submitted by 19th September, which was not going to happen. So I've called it a day on that one, and written it off, and Ive accepted I'll never be working on a site again, or be able to sign off my own domestic work. Crazy, we need workers, but put obstacles in the way to those who can do the work.

    Lyle Dunn - any news on the timeframe required for 2346? The Training place say it is C&G who demand it is finished in a certain time, also, they say to get onto the 2346 course now, you need a NVQ2. I've done a quick search, but nothing comes up.