City and Guilds 2330

Has anyone studied CG2330 and subsequently discovered problems with it? 

We're in the process of promoting one of our employees to a QS position (we're with the NICEIC) and having completed all the forms, it turns out that the technical certificate he did in his apprenticeship in 2011 is now not worth anything. Certainly it isn't deemed suitable as a craft qualification for a QS role anyway. It seems that in their wisdom, the EAS (who are they anyway??) have decided that suitable level 3 qualifications do not now include the CG2330 and have unilaterally decided to remove it, despite it once being accredited as the recognised technical certificate of apprenticeships for several years. He clearly had no choice in the technical certificate he studied, it was just part of his apprenticeship at the time.

So an electrician with a full apprenticeship under his belt and over 12 years industry experience is now deemed not as qualified as an apprentice completing their studies in 2023, or an adult trainee having completed an intensive 28 day training course. They honestly think this is reducing electrical incidents? The NICEIC are typically not interested at all and have ruled out any form of appeals procedure where it can be justified that his experience and once-recognised qualifications are just as viable as anything being taught today. Their only solution is to suggest he takes an additional course. The organisation doesn't seem the least bit interested in standards of electrical safety, they're just happy to take customer's money off them. On top of this are the amazing double-standards and confusion in this industry. He can apply for a JIB gold card as approved electrician (the ECS & JIB accept his qualifications - it's just the EAS that don't).

How on Earth do we try and get some uniformity with the these different organisations (ECA, JIB, ECS, EAS etc etc etc) and get them all singing off the same hymn sheet? Is there any point trying to lobby anyone to look at the blatant discrimination at play with retrospectively degrading someone's apprenticeship? This is unfairly hampering career progression and we can't be the only ones affected.

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  • who is it ? surprisingly hard to find out isn't it. 

    https://electrical.theiet.org/bs-7671/building-regulations/electrotechnical-assessment-specification/

    The Committee comprises representatives from across the electrical installation industry, including
    the competent person schemes. The EAS document can be downloaded free from the IET www.theiet.org/eas

    Except that the link is busted.

    It seems the press releases are all written by these chaps.

    https://www.the-esp.org.uk/mission-objectives/

    The Electrotechnical Skills Partnership (TESP) is a not-for-profit industry partnership formed by the Electrical Contractors’ Association (ECA), Joint Industry Board (JIB), National Electrotechnical Training (NET), SELECT and Unite the Union to support electrotechnical employers to develop and drive the industry’s skills agenda.

    Sounds great, but you do wonder how we get so many quangos...

    latest presentations.

    https://www.the-esp.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TESP-TQF-02-March-2023.pdf

    It looks like you could even join  in..

    https://www.the-esp.org.uk/training-and-qualifications-forum/

    Hmm.

    Mike.

  • as an aside, "...so many quangos..." -  that's very pertinent point and it has been a real problem across not just this subject, but government (national and local) for a long time ...  effectively off-loading representative responsibility and affecting precious real democracy (if that ever existed)...  

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  • as an aside, "...so many quangos..." -  that's very pertinent point and it has been a real problem across not just this subject, but government (national and local) for a long time ...  effectively off-loading representative responsibility and affecting precious real democracy (if that ever existed)...  

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