Air Source Heat Pumps, SCOP and humidity

My gas fired combi is getting a bit long in the tooth now, so I've been vaguely looking at the possibility of replacing it with a heat pump.

SWMBO isn't keen on the idea of ground source - we've probably got enough land for our relatively modest heating load, but having a mature garden on the top of it makes trenching a hard sell, so I've been looking at air source...

I realize that at times (very often in the cooler months I imagine) that the outdoor evaporator coils will be below 0°C - and so will ice up from condensation. Ice will not only block the airflow but insulate the coils, so needs to be removed. No problem I understand, the heat pumps detect this and automatically go into a defrost cycle where either the refrigerant flow is reversed (taking a bit of heat back from the heating water circuits and using it to melt the ice) or by direct electrical heating. From what I can tell all that's all included in the seasonal co-efficient of performance (SCOP) figures, so I can in theory still work out (roughly) how well the system should work overall.

But thinks I, having spent the last couple of days in fog, the SCOP benchmarks for EN 14825 are done according to the climates of the likes of Strasbourg, Athens and Helsinki; and it occurs to me that the British climate is often somewhat damper, so even if the temperatures match I would have thought we'd likely get a lot more condensation, and therefore a lot more ice - so it'll have to have much more frequent defrost cycles- which is going to consume more energy for no increase in output. So the SCOP figures provided by manufacturers may be well off what I could achieve in reality - which makes me a bit nervous.

My research so far seems to suggest that the test conditions only have to reflect the temperature profiles of Strasbourg, Athens and Helsinki, so far I've found no mention of humidity, so it might be possible that manufacturers could run the tests in a relatively dry atmosphere and get improved results and still comply with the standard.

Has anyone got any ideas as to how significant the defrost cycles might be on the overall SCOP?

   - Andy.

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  • Yes I have been there, my wife worked for three months in Bergen and we have visited several different areas on holiday. The smaller hotels in the north certainly used electric resistance heating.

    Your statement does not seem to match the Norwegian view:

    How Norwegians Heat Their Houses - The Norway Guide

    Norwegians typically use either heat pumps, a wood stove or regular electric heaters to hear their houses. The heat pumps are by far the most efficient and cheapest to use, but they are pretty expensive to install.

    Current status of heat pumps in Norway and analysis of their performance and payback time - ScienceDirect

    According to a report by Asplan Viak [4], 80% of the heating energy for buildings in Norway comes from electricity (used mainly through conventional electric heaters), around 15% comes from biofuel (wood, ethanol, biodiesel), 3% from district heating systems, and less than 2% comes from fossil fuels [4]. Although almost all of the electricity produced in Norway comes from hydropower and wind farms which are renewable sources of energy, it is yet important to reduce the electricity consumption for heating and cut the costs on households by using heat pumps. 

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  • As there is so much misunderstanding on this thread I am not even going to explain thermodynamics to anyone. COP of 4 is on a warm summer day, assuming the output is to radiators at 60c. If at 40C it might get to 5. On a cold day at -10 outside (Norway) and direct air to air, about 3 or so is achievable. If you have a wet system it will be about 1.5 or less. Gas is about 1/4 of the price of electricity (and always will be) so you need a COP of 4 to cost THE SAME. To save money you need very low cost electricity, which cannot ever happen unless all the subsidies are removed, and a penalty for failure to supply the power promised (as FF stations have) is instituted for wind and solar. If your political view is that we can stop or control the climate and weather, you are already so deluded it is not worth discussing anything. The Norway situation is completely different to the UK, and saying "they work in Norway" is comparing apples and bananas. Most electricity is from hydro and very cheap (thus the resistence heating in many houses). We have almost no hydro, and wind is NOT cheap.