Mag locks

A tad off the beaten track but I would be grateful for opinion.

I look after fire safety compliance in over one hundred social clubs. Anyone who has been to one will know that many have a main entrance with an electrically controlled door entry system that allows the door to be opened from behind the bar or similar. Now there are all types of electronic locks in use, some require power to open others are just flat retaining electro-magnets that release on the circuit going open. 
It has never been a good idea to have doors with fastenings of any kind on escape doors but in the past, providing the doors met a category A designation in accordance with BS 7273 2015, (effectively meaning a fail safe arrangement connected via the fire alarm), they were accepted by local authorities for licensing purposes.

Now at least one Fire and Rescue Service have stipulated that in premises where entertainment will be held and/or intoxicating liquor is to be consumed, if these entrance doors are to be used for escape, which, invariably they will, they cannot be held closed by any “electronic” means irrespective of Category A compliance.

I completely respect their stance. I investigated several arrangements and found that they had the usual green breakglass beside the door and the doors opened on activation of the fire alarm. Unfortunately, because the normally closed contact was used on the fire alarm, removal of both normal and back up supply left the doors closed although the green breakglass unit was still available.

I want to put a case to FRS to allow the use of the flat plate type means of retaining the doors and to ensure that they are completely fail safe.

Can any one conceive of a situation where the interruption of power to the electro-magnets might not occur and how that might be overcome?

  • Do they mean they are prohibiting electronic, as in computers, networks, logic and all the scope for error that gives, or also pure electro-mechanical where a switch contact, or ideally two of them both operated together, really is in series with the actuator/lock  (E-stops that are for use in safety of life cases have two force -guided contacts that are mechanically arranged that the failure of one would be reported, but not prevent the power being cut.)

    Personally I'd be surprised if anyone who understood the problem would not accept a variant of the second as being a lot safer than the first. I'm wary of things where the push button by the door calls some central controller, and that in turn issues some network commands to release the doors.

    Mike.

  • Can any one conceive of a situation where the interruption of power to the electro-magnets might not occur and how that might be overcome?

    Short in a component on, or between tracks of, the local Access Controller PCB if only one switched "hold" is used. (Issue here is that the power is supposed to be removed to release, the short or faulty transistor prevents this happening until the PSU ... or PSU and battery ... fails.)

    "Wired AND" control (two relays or transistors per mag-lock "hold") is all I can think of to remedy that problem ... alternatively, regular (weekly or daily) testing of the release operation of each lock to help check there is no fault.

  • I’m not sure it answers your question but on a site I work on they have Paxton access control to most doors. Next to each door is a green push button and a break glass unit. I asked what the difference was and apparently the push button issues a command to the entry system to unlock whereas the break glass is wired directly into the supply to the electro magnet.

  • yes - that is how we do it too - the break glass always works even if the network is lost, while the exit button or keyfob readers rely on the connection to the computer and each entry or exit request is logged before opening.  It is what Paxton suggest for that situation.
    Mike.

  • The supply to the locks is connected through the N/C contact of the green break glass and the N/C contact of the MICCO and the N/C of the access control panel. Thus, when the fire alarm is activated, the supply to the locks is interrupted. The fire alarm has a backup battery, so it would still function during a power outage. Are you implying that the FA battery was also removed?

  • Yes, the battery was also removed from the FA.  The requirement is that the doors should be released to open on failure of either or both the supplies to the FA panel.

  • I don’t know about that requirement, so use the emergency green break. But what if the button doesn’t work when you press it? Maybe you should leave the backup battery out of the access control panel so then the lock will fail open. The Access CP would have to be on the same circuit as the FA.