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Max Zs for 400V circuits

Good afternoon

Why all BS7671 tables for max Zs are refering to 230V circuits?

What if I have a 400V final circuit ? What if I have for example a 3 phase commando socket?

Table 41.1 containing maximum disconnection times specify 0.2sec for a 400V final circuit  under 63A containing sockets

How can I know the max Zs of this circuit to achieve this time?

All tables further down refer to 230V. I can find something for 400V

Excuse me in advance if this sounds like a naive question and has an obvious answer.

Thanks

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  • If your 400V system is a normal 3-phase with 400V between lines (normally notated as U), then each line is still 230V from Earth (or N) - usually notated as Uo.

    For disconnection for shock protection we only worry about faults to exposed-conductive-parts (bits that would pose a shock hazard if they became live), so the voltage involved is just that between any line and Earth - so it's still 230V. Notice that the tables mention Uo rather than U.

    Rarely you might find systems that are 400V Uo (e.g. 690/400V 3-phase) - for those you'd have to calculate things (working backwards from the current that would open the protective device in the required time, the supply voltage and a fudge factor or two).

      - Andy.

  • And even more rarely you find 1k2/690 with 690v to earth on any one phase, but as that is out of the top of the voltage scope of 7671, in the UK you would be  very much on your own - although in practice it really is not so different, though the breaker arrangements are different,  the maximum of 1000V is a nice round number but an arbitrary boundary. I have only seen 1k2/690 used in a factory Germany of the kind where you could drive from one end to the other in the building.

    Like the tables of installation methods are just the common situations, the Zs and voltage drops and so on in BS7671 are all based on what its by far the most common system in the UK, which is 400/230  and all the Zs are calculated for the LN case, as the most onerous they will also  pass higher.

    BUT, as demand for things like EV chargers. very large giga-factories and  maybe supplies to out of the way places are required, it may be that we will come across or require to consider  a non 230V systems  more frequently in the future, certainly the power and distances that that it can be sent over thinner cables make for a very neat and efficient, if initially slightly surprising system,

    Mike.

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  • And even more rarely you find 1k2/690 with 690v to earth on any one phase, but as that is out of the top of the voltage scope of 7671, in the UK you would be  very much on your own - although in practice it really is not so different, though the breaker arrangements are different,  the maximum of 1000V is a nice round number but an arbitrary boundary. I have only seen 1k2/690 used in a factory Germany of the kind where you could drive from one end to the other in the building.

    Like the tables of installation methods are just the common situations, the Zs and voltage drops and so on in BS7671 are all based on what its by far the most common system in the UK, which is 400/230  and all the Zs are calculated for the LN case, as the most onerous they will also  pass higher.

    BUT, as demand for things like EV chargers. very large giga-factories and  maybe supplies to out of the way places are required, it may be that we will come across or require to consider  a non 230V systems  more frequently in the future, certainly the power and distances that that it can be sent over thinner cables make for a very neat and efficient, if initially slightly surprising system,

    Mike.

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