Long meter tail upgrade, no nice solution comes to mind.

Hi All.

Thought I'd open this one up for discussion as I'm sure some of you can come up with a nice solution.

I've been given a friendly notice that i need to do something about the meter tails in my house by my DNO following the installation of a smart meter. They're the wrong gauge for the master fuse (16mm2 on a 100A fuse) and too long, about 4m. I'm having a job coming up with a solution I like. The current installation is original from when my house was built in 1996 and has gone unnoticed until now.

The meter is in a box on the front wall of the house and the tails exit this, run up the inside of the wall and over the ceiling of what was originally a bin cupboard in an uninsulated roof space before entering the distribution board directly though the hallway wall. The logical thing to do would be to protect the tails by replacing them with SWA but I have two problems with that. 1 that I have no way of terminating the SWA in the meter box without invading the DNO's space and 2 I'm not confident in brining in SWA from behind the board, as I'd effectively have to terminate it long and push some excess back into the roof space, and end up with the SWA termination in the wall screwed to the back of the board. So I can see this option needing me to bring the SWA in from above or below the board which would be ugly as sin in my hallway, doubly so as it'll have a bend radius easily measured in miles.

So I've considered using Steel Conduit instead, as that should be as tough as SWA. However unless I've missed something the largest I can get is 32mm OD which has an ID of circa 27mm. As I'm expecting some quite high temperatures in the roof space during the summer 25mm2 (rated to 101A if I'm reading Appendix 4 properly) could well end up under rated in the summer, so I'd be best to use 35mm2. This has a max OD of 13.5mm according to Doncaster cables meaning it'll be tight getting 2 down it.

I considered using XLPE Insulated 25mm as that can run hotter but of cause there's the 70 degC conductor limit of the board so it's not a help.

Bringing my back to SWA again.

I don't want to put joints in above the bin cupboard as there's no way of inspecting them.

So any other ideas of what I could do to protect the cables sufficiently to ignore the limits?

Thanks in advance.

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  • So one thing that's been going through my head.

    Is there any reason I couldn't use BSP pipe as opposed to steel conduit? it's made to a BS standard after all....

    I ask as the BS standard for conduit appears to have specifications for 38 and 50mm but nobody stocks them. However, 1 1/4 BSP is easy to get hold of and is thicker walled due to the courser thread pitch. So I don't see why it couldn't be used. I'll have a single bend so putting in a draw string will be easy, and a long radius bend will be well above the minimum radius I'll need to make the corner at the top of the vertical.

  • 1 Gas pipe

    Someone will pop up and say that black or galvenised  iron gas pipe is made to the wrong BS. of course.
    (This stuff.. )

    That is true but not  really relevant, there  is plenty of imperial conduits about and no one asks about that. The hard part may be  getting a good earth contact to a malleble iron pipe of non-standard diameter, but it should be possible to mis-use a plumbing fitting or to drill a hole for a nut and bolt  (or even tapped hole )  in a way that does not obstruct the cables.

    https://www.bes.co.uk/flanged-hexagon-backnut-brass-11-2-6549/  going into a box perhaps

    The exact impedance of  gas pipe may be unclear so you may want an additioinal CPC to assuage the doubters.
    The other thing you will need are the right pipe threading dies and a decent pipe bender, but those could be  hire items unless you know a tame gas fitter type. And bending a 1.1/2 iron pipe will test your muscles  and may benfit from hydraulic assistance.

    2 SWA - ideas

    Or if it helps with SWA, remember one can terminate the armour in a gland on a metal box or plate in the ceiling and carry the inner as a rather wilful multi core "flex" into a further enclousure.
    Arguable the inner 'bedding' that holds the cores together is not really insulation, and so the "peeled" SWA should be inside something like plastic trunking, rather than run any distance exposed to touch,  but it is a lot tougher than broken out into singles straight away. Leaving very  long tails allows them to be led into the CU in a less ugly way for termination.


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  • 1 Gas pipe

    Someone will pop up and say that black or galvenised  iron gas pipe is made to the wrong BS. of course.
    (This stuff.. )

    That is true but not  really relevant, there  is plenty of imperial conduits about and no one asks about that. The hard part may be  getting a good earth contact to a malleble iron pipe of non-standard diameter, but it should be possible to mis-use a plumbing fitting or to drill a hole for a nut and bolt  (or even tapped hole )  in a way that does not obstruct the cables.

    https://www.bes.co.uk/flanged-hexagon-backnut-brass-11-2-6549/  going into a box perhaps

    The exact impedance of  gas pipe may be unclear so you may want an additioinal CPC to assuage the doubters.
    The other thing you will need are the right pipe threading dies and a decent pipe bender, but those could be  hire items unless you know a tame gas fitter type. And bending a 1.1/2 iron pipe will test your muscles  and may benfit from hydraulic assistance.

    2 SWA - ideas

    Or if it helps with SWA, remember one can terminate the armour in a gland on a metal box or plate in the ceiling and carry the inner as a rather wilful multi core "flex" into a further enclousure.
    Arguable the inner 'bedding' that holds the cores together is not really insulation, and so the "peeled" SWA should be inside something like plastic trunking, rather than run any distance exposed to touch,  but it is a lot tougher than broken out into singles straight away. Leaving very  long tails allows them to be led into the CU in a less ugly way for termination.


    M

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