A Friday Debate

Should older or earlier versions of BSI standards be made freely available on the internet?

Consider for example
BS 7430:2011+A1:2015. Code of practice for protective earthing of electrical installations being the current version


BS 7430:1998. Code of practice for earthing Published:15 Nov 1998 • Withdrawn: 31 Dec  2011


Or maybe

BS 7671:2018+A2:2022. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations being the current version

BS 7671:2008+A3:2015. Requirements for Electrical Installations. IET Wiring Regulations Published: 31 Jan 2015 • Withdrawn: 29 Jun 2018


These could be published in a PDF format with a watermark on every page stating that this is not the current or latest version and for the current version can be found on the BSI web site.  This then allows people to look at the information from older versions and allow them to use it for research or for study purposes.  If you take BS7671 as an example has over 60 Normative References to other BS standards like BS 5839 which in effect is a whole suite of standards.  Sometimes people are unsure if that publication will satisfy their requirements.  

As a scenario BS7671 makes reference to BS7430 and BS7430 makes reference to BS7671

As always please be polite and respectful in this purely academic debate.  The concept of this idea is to help educate future generations of engineers by allowing them to access historical information from past achievements and standards.

Come on everybody lets help inspire the future.

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  •  I have a library of older standards that include the Wiring Regulations 1-18.

    I have to ask why you want copies of withdrawn standards other than for historical interest?

    JP

  • Why would you want a current standard? Presumably to see if your design or idea follows it ?

    In the same way older standards help when looking at older kit, to see if it met the standard of the day,  and then there is education of the next generation of engineers, and the demonstration of  the development if ideas that sort of thing.

    So how much money do the copyright holders make from the sale of out-dated standards docs, and who would lose how much if they did not enforce that ?

    Mike.

  • Image an FE college or University with access to the back catalogue of BS (British Standards).  The teaching possibilities.  Or those who have a curious mind. 

  • One of the great privileges of studying at Cambridge, Oxford, or Trinity College, Dublin is access to their legal deposit libraries. Everybody else has to make do with the National Libraries of Scotland and Wales and the British Library.

    It seems highly likely that any major university which teaches engineering will have a library subscription to BSOL - British Stands On Line, not least because of the need to be able to read a standard.

    There is not a back catalogue as such - obsolete standards remain available on line. The exception is very old editions, which are paper only. Of course, the aforementioned LDLs probably have their own copies.

  • If only to consider if the installation was compliant at the time I believe it was installed, which seems to be a source of endless debate with regards to EICR coding. It also helps to understand in detail the practices of many older installations still in use from times long before I qualified.

    one of my favourite contradictions on the subject is the notion that if a cable is less than 50mm in a wall it’s only potentially dangerous without an RCD if it was installed after the early 1990s… but for some reason all socket outlets or TT installations without RCD protection are potentially dangerous even if installed in the 70s thus predating any requirement for RCD protection.

    My personal opinion is that the IET should produce an in depth guide to EICR coding rather than us getting conflicting CPS advice.  I don’t believe that being compliant at the time of installation should necessarily be a consideration with certain things such as additional protection, ultimately something either is or isn’t potentially dangerous. However I do implement the status quo as a professional.

    It’s interesting that in Scotland it is becoming law for all rented properties to have RCD protection, regardless of the age of installation, regardless of the depth of cable installations or sup bonding ect. All tenants in Scotland will soon be legally entitled to additional 30mA protection. I’d welcome a similar law in the rest of the UK.

  • In Scotland they also made it a legal requirement that interlinked smoke/heat/carbon monoxide alarms must be fitted on all floors of a dwelling.  In effect they are superseding what is in BS7671 with regards to fire safety alarms.

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  • In Scotland they also made it a legal requirement that interlinked smoke/heat/carbon monoxide alarms must be fitted on all floors of a dwelling.  In effect they are superseding what is in BS7671 with regards to fire safety alarms.

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