EIC or MWC

Scenario:

Existing lighting circuits with fluorescent luminaires upgraded to LED equivalents.

Circuit breaker changing type and/or rating.

Contractor has provided an MWC covering the works.

All looks good, but because the circuit protective device is not strictly a like for like change, should they have actually provided an EIC?

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  • Does whatever form they provide fully describe what work was done and what circuits were affected ?
    Is the level of testing done adequate to cover the work. so we can be sure its safe, or at least as safe as what it replaces ?

    If further calcs are required e.g. cable ratings - if for example breaker rating increased  - is enough  info provided ?

    If yes, obligations are met.  The fact that it is all presented on one 'standard form' or 'model form' or another may be a convenience, but unless contractually stipulated not a requirement.

    Mike

  • The change was in accordance with an approved design. The only question is, really, Because the circuit protective device has changed, is an MWC the appropriate certificate, or should it have been an EIC? 

    We have had quite a discussion about it on site with varying opinions and viewpoints, and one of the chaps has talked about should there be a fault/accident/incident occur sometime in the future and the paperwork be thoroughly examined, will the fact that its an MWC be found to be inadequate? Below is a quote from 7671 Page 514, and the thought is, does the circuit breaker come under 'similar items' ?

    The Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate is intended to be used for additions and alterations to an installation that do not extend to the provision of a new circuit. Examples include the addition of socket-outlets or lighting points to an existing circuit, the relocation of a light switch etc. This Certificate may also be used for the replacement of equipment such as accessories or luminaires, but not for the replacement of distribution boards or similar items. Appropriate inspection and testing, however, should always be carried out irrespective of the extent of the work undertaken.

  • Another intersting point from

    BS 7671:2018+A2:2022
    MODEL FORMS FOR CERTIFICATION AND REPORTING

    electrical installation certificate

    is

    FOR DESIGN

    I/We, being the person(s) responsible for the design of the electrical installation (as indicated by my/our signatures below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design, hereby CERTIFY
    that the design work for which I/we have been responsible is to the best of my/our knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    FOR CONSTRUCTION

    I, being the person responsible for the construction of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the construction hereby CERTIFY that the construction work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    FOR INSPECTION AND TESTING

    I, being the person responsible for the inspection & testing of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the inspection & testing hereby CERTIFY that the work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    From the sections above I read this as the person/company doing the work could be more liable in a court of law should something happen.  It is also worth mentioning that when you request work you could ask for the EIC to be issued and not a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate (MEIWC).   Personally I think that an EIC should be issued. 

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  • Another intersting point from

    BS 7671:2018+A2:2022
    MODEL FORMS FOR CERTIFICATION AND REPORTING

    electrical installation certificate

    is

    FOR DESIGN

    I/We, being the person(s) responsible for the design of the electrical installation (as indicated by my/our signatures below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the design, hereby CERTIFY
    that the design work for which I/we have been responsible is to the best of my/our knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    FOR CONSTRUCTION

    I, being the person responsible for the construction of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the construction hereby CERTIFY that the construction work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    FOR INSPECTION AND TESTING

    I, being the person responsible for the inspection & testing of the electrical installation (as indicated by my signature below), particulars of which are described above, having exercised reasonable skill and care when carrying out the inspection & testing hereby CERTIFY that the work for which I have been responsible is to the best of my knowledge and belief in accordance with
    BS 7671:2018, amended to ..................... (date) except for the departures, if any, detailed as follows:

    From the sections above I read this as the person/company doing the work could be more liable in a court of law should something happen.  It is also worth mentioning that when you request work you could ask for the EIC to be issued and not a Minor Electrical Installation Works Certificate (MEIWC).   Personally I think that an EIC should be issued. 

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