dual both active grid / off grid solar

Previously posted " On grid /Off grid Domestic kitchen Choice of grid or solar at point of use 

Thus  kitchen is equipped with both grid and completely independent solar ( inverter ) sockets 

Eg Plug your washing machine to grid or solar  user choice as opportune. Both are live.together 

See attached schematic 

The issue is earthing : Care so that  earth potential to casing of one appliance plugged to grid is not different to another appliance plugged to off grid supply Easily within reach in a domestic kitchen

Previously advised the earth arrangement as in diagram ( earth rod  linked to my incoming grid earth MET ) would suffice Arrangement is similar to UPS systems 

So advised tp contact a locally qualified electrician  with UPS experience to get final approval / sign off 

I cant find one ?? Can anyone put me in touch with such a person locally ?  Or is there a directory ?  I am in south london close to Morden Northern Line tube

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ciao Ms O 

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  • See attached schematic 

    Pedantically, the rod will effectively be an extraneous-conductive-part as far as the grid supply is concerned - to which it's almost certain PME conditions will apply - thus 6mm² will be too small - the minimum will be 10mm² (possibly more under some conditions). Physically the soil resistance around the rod will limit the current the bonding conductor can carry, so the 6mm²  will be perfectly adequate in practice, but BS 7671 (and associated PME requirement) don't recognise such subtlety, so if you want someone to certify it as complying with BS 7671 and/or building regs, that might have to increase a bit.

    final approval / sign off 

    Note that BS 7671 certification isn't a final exam kind of thing - more like continuous assessment - as the designer and installer have to sign as well as the inspector/tester. Some may be happy to 'oversee' you doing some of the work, but typically will need to be involved at each stage to do that.

       - Andy.

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  • See attached schematic 

    Pedantically, the rod will effectively be an extraneous-conductive-part as far as the grid supply is concerned - to which it's almost certain PME conditions will apply - thus 6mm² will be too small - the minimum will be 10mm² (possibly more under some conditions). Physically the soil resistance around the rod will limit the current the bonding conductor can carry, so the 6mm²  will be perfectly adequate in practice, but BS 7671 (and associated PME requirement) don't recognise such subtlety, so if you want someone to certify it as complying with BS 7671 and/or building regs, that might have to increase a bit.

    final approval / sign off 

    Note that BS 7671 certification isn't a final exam kind of thing - more like continuous assessment - as the designer and installer have to sign as well as the inspector/tester. Some may be happy to 'oversee' you doing some of the work, but typically will need to be involved at each stage to do that.

       - Andy.

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  • Pedantically, the rod will effectively be an extraneous-conductive-part as far as the grid supply is concerned

    I disagree. Perhaps, even more pedantically, it can't be an extraneous-conductive-part by definition, as it's part of the electrical installation. From Part 2:

    Extraneous-conductive-part. A conductive part liable to introduce a potential, generally Earth potential, and not forming part of the electrical installation.

    It's relationship to the TN grid supply is effectively a supplementary earth electrode as discussed in Regulation 411.4.2.

    PME conditions will apply - thus 6mm² will be too small - the minimum will be 10mm² (possibly more under some conditions).

    I do, however, fully agree with your view on sizing the conductor connecting it to the installation ... it will see the same currents as an extraneous-conductive-part even though it's not one, and therefore where PME conditions apply, the minimum cross-sectional area ought to be according to Table 54.8 of BS 7671 in relation to the grid supply