Construction sites and the use of RLV, guidance on the use of residual protection?

 RCDs on 110v sockets

from the discussion above, which is a few years ago, a conclusion was made that RCD’s are not required for RLV/ CTE transformer used in construction sites from Sec 4. 
It is clear from section 4 that additional protection for RLV sockets is not a requirement, for obvious reasons CTE 55v etc. 

however I have noticed a more recent trend of RCCB’s integral to the secondary side of the windings being implemented to ensure fault protection that can clear within the 5 second disconnection time under 411.8.3. It would seem primarily this is due to chaining multiple extension leads together or excessive lighting circuit lengths, which are difficult to account for except by direct supervision on site. 
Blakley, being one of the leading manufacturers offer a great deal of good technical guidance on the subject - but largely it would appear the practice of having both RLV + residual protection combined into one transformer is down to preference rather than a requirement of BS7671 or BS7375 for that matter, meaning this would be ‘best practice’ as apposed to mandatory unless a contractor were to make part of their policy. 
I would be interested in the forums opinions on this subject, and your own experiences, I think there are changing trends in the industry as to what was historically an acceptable risk may no longer be the case, particularly I’ve noticed 110v Tx plugged into blue commando sockets with a 30mA RCD protecting the primary side, I’m unsure what degree of protection this will offer to outgoing artic flex on the secondary side and it doesn’t seem it would be the same as a multiple pole device that’s installed on the secondary side?

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  • I have turned it into a bit of a rambling conversation, as i am wandering about another thought came into my head.

    Thirty five years ago i was working on the one site as a carpenter, the companies H&S guy told me i had to have an earth rod when I was using my petrol generator, so I got a road form pin off the groundworkers, along with a pipe earth clamp and some 10 mm green/yellow off the electricians, who thought it was hilarious, and earthed my generator whilst I was working, I still have that rod somewhere in my garage.

    Roll on a few years, after I had gained electrical qualifications and had my own test equipment, I loop tested one of my 110 volt transformers on both the primary and secondary sides, with and without the installation earth connected and actually confirmed for myself that the earth connection on the secondary side is not reliant on having a good installation earth connection, it is a complete fresh start from the transformer onwards.

    So the rod on my generator was only a reference to earth and as i did not have an RCD, was not going to ensure any circuit protection operated, but all my tools were double insulated anyway.

  • I loop tested one of my 110 volt transformers on both the primary and secondary sides, with and without the installation earth connected and actually confirmed for myself that the earth connection on the secondary side is not reliant on having a good installation earth connection, it is a complete fresh start from the transformer onwards.

    Although a loop test only shows the loop impedance, rather than a connection to true Earth. So while ADS might work fine, there may be other problems. A floating system, if supplied through an ordinary transformer, can be capacitively coupled to the supply windings - so might in fact "float" at say half mains voltage (a lot of variables there, but as a for instance) - so 55-0-55 might in fact end up as 60-115-170 and while the available current will be low, it might still be enough for an unexpected tingle or jolt from anything with exposed-conductive-parts. Normally the secondary centre tap is connected to the primary c.p.c. in lieu of its own electrode - so ideally you wouldn't want to connect it to a PME system and then use it outside.

    Don't forget that the secondary loop impedance also depends on the primary L-N loop too (the power to drive the fault current has to come from somewhere), so perhaps not entirely a fresh start.

        - Andy.

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  • I loop tested one of my 110 volt transformers on both the primary and secondary sides, with and without the installation earth connected and actually confirmed for myself that the earth connection on the secondary side is not reliant on having a good installation earth connection, it is a complete fresh start from the transformer onwards.

    Although a loop test only shows the loop impedance, rather than a connection to true Earth. So while ADS might work fine, there may be other problems. A floating system, if supplied through an ordinary transformer, can be capacitively coupled to the supply windings - so might in fact "float" at say half mains voltage (a lot of variables there, but as a for instance) - so 55-0-55 might in fact end up as 60-115-170 and while the available current will be low, it might still be enough for an unexpected tingle or jolt from anything with exposed-conductive-parts. Normally the secondary centre tap is connected to the primary c.p.c. in lieu of its own electrode - so ideally you wouldn't want to connect it to a PME system and then use it outside.

    Don't forget that the secondary loop impedance also depends on the primary L-N loop too (the power to drive the fault current has to come from somewhere), so perhaps not entirely a fresh start.

        - Andy.

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