Construction sites and the use of RLV, guidance on the use of residual protection?

 RCDs on 110v sockets

from the discussion above, which is a few years ago, a conclusion was made that RCD’s are not required for RLV/ CTE transformer used in construction sites from Sec 4. 
It is clear from section 4 that additional protection for RLV sockets is not a requirement, for obvious reasons CTE 55v etc. 

however I have noticed a more recent trend of RCCB’s integral to the secondary side of the windings being implemented to ensure fault protection that can clear within the 5 second disconnection time under 411.8.3. It would seem primarily this is due to chaining multiple extension leads together or excessive lighting circuit lengths, which are difficult to account for except by direct supervision on site. 
Blakley, being one of the leading manufacturers offer a great deal of good technical guidance on the subject - but largely it would appear the practice of having both RLV + residual protection combined into one transformer is down to preference rather than a requirement of BS7671 or BS7375 for that matter, meaning this would be ‘best practice’ as apposed to mandatory unless a contractor were to make part of their policy. 
I would be interested in the forums opinions on this subject, and your own experiences, I think there are changing trends in the industry as to what was historically an acceptable risk may no longer be the case, particularly I’ve noticed 110v Tx plugged into blue commando sockets with a 30mA RCD protecting the primary side, I’m unsure what degree of protection this will offer to outgoing artic flex on the secondary side and it doesn’t seem it would be the same as a multiple pole device that’s installed on the secondary side?

  • I have been in the construction industry for fifty years and still have a full kit of 110 volt tools, extension leads, four transformers and three generators.

    I have only ever blown fuses due to overload back in the days of fused extension plugs on extension leads,  not due to faults and all three of the petrol engine generators I have will stall before the circuit protection built into them operates, as I have found out. 

    None of the younger guys have 110 volt kit,  they are using battery tools, the voltages and risks are probably similar. I don't think I would want to short one of the big backpack batteries used on some of the corded "cordless" power tools, particularly with the battery pack on my back. 

  • Indeed, battery tools are now considered the safest option to achieve ALARP. There are some hefty lithium batteries on the market now that are capable of doing serious damage if not handled with care and respect, I’ve even come across 230v inverter packs specifically designed to use class II core drills and the like, but when the manufacturer are requested to quote on compliance with British Standards they declined- the instructions were beyond layman’s interpretation too further adding ambiguity. 
    if everyone conducted their business as responsible professionals I’m sure many of today’s issue would be reduced, I guess some of it will be down to the growing skills shortage. 

  • Thirty five years ago when I was subbing on new housing sites, I was using a 1900 watt Honda generator with a two gallon petrol tank, most days I used a full tank of petrol and called at a garage on the way home to fill it directly from a petrol pump.

    Today that would cost around £13.50 a day for the electricity for the power tools, well over £60 a week, it was a significant amount back then as well, so running costs are a very significant factor when deciding to invest in batteries and cordless equipment, but they aren’t risk free from an electrical point of view.

    Having the petrol on site is another risk, there was a incident on a site where a guy was carrying a small petrol generator on his shoulder and petrol had splashed down him, another guy actually thought it would be funny to throw a lighted match at him resulting in serious and life changing injuries. I wasn’t working on that particular site, but knew some of the guys who did, it really was a nasty incident.

  • I have turned it into a bit of a rambling conversation, as i am wandering about another thought came into my head.

    Thirty five years ago i was working on the one site as a carpenter, the companies H&S guy told me i had to have an earth rod when I was using my petrol generator, so I got a road form pin off the groundworkers, along with a pipe earth clamp and some 10 mm green/yellow off the electricians, who thought it was hilarious, and earthed my generator whilst I was working, I still have that rod somewhere in my garage.

    Roll on a few years, after I had gained electrical qualifications and had my own test equipment, I loop tested one of my 110 volt transformers on both the primary and secondary sides, with and without the installation earth connected and actually confirmed for myself that the earth connection on the secondary side is not reliant on having a good installation earth connection, it is a complete fresh start from the transformer onwards.

    So the rod on my generator was only a reference to earth and as i did not have an RCD, was not going to ensure any circuit protection operated, but all my tools were double insulated anyway.

  • I loop tested one of my 110 volt transformers on both the primary and secondary sides, with and without the installation earth connected and actually confirmed for myself that the earth connection on the secondary side is not reliant on having a good installation earth connection, it is a complete fresh start from the transformer onwards.

    Although a loop test only shows the loop impedance, rather than a connection to true Earth. So while ADS might work fine, there may be other problems. A floating system, if supplied through an ordinary transformer, can be capacitively coupled to the supply windings - so might in fact "float" at say half mains voltage (a lot of variables there, but as a for instance) - so 55-0-55 might in fact end up as 60-115-170 and while the available current will be low, it might still be enough for an unexpected tingle or jolt from anything with exposed-conductive-parts. Normally the secondary centre tap is connected to the primary c.p.c. in lieu of its own electrode - so ideally you wouldn't want to connect it to a PME system and then use it outside.

    Don't forget that the secondary loop impedance also depends on the primary L-N loop too (the power to drive the fault current has to come from somewhere), so perhaps not entirely a fresh start.

        - Andy.

  • For construction sites generators are covered under BS7375 + BS7340, not sure if they were around 35yrs agoThinking

    much debate remains especially with smaller gensets, stuff like - less than 5kva doesn’t need any earthing, is what you’ll often hear.
    This is only partially correct, the code states the task should be short duration with only 1 item of class II equipment in use - but this is a pretty broad statement, and doesn’t say if the generator output should have a RCD or not - often they don’t. 
    like most things these days it will come down to the risk assessment, because if there’s an incident the first thing they do is look at the paper work. 

  • much debate remains especially with smaller gensets, stuff like - less than 5kva doesn’t need any earthing, is what you’ll often hear.
    This is only partially correct, the code states the task should be short duration with only 1 item of class II equipment in use - but this is a pretty broad statement, and doesn’t say if the generator output should have a RCD or not - often they don’t. 

    Unearthed, the generator would usually meet the requirements for a separated system - when feeding just one item of current using equipment (possibly better read as a system having at most one exposed-conductive-part), the principles are covered by BS 7671 section 413 - generally the system remains perfectly safe on faults and ADS of any kind isn't required. RCDs would be pretty pointless as the system isn't referenced to Earth. Feeding two or more items of current using equipment (or rather having two or more exposed-conductive-parts) is slightly riskier and is covered by BS 7671 418.3 - while it remains safe on 1st faults, a 2nd fault to a different exposed-conductive-part from a different line, raises the possibility of a shock between the two exposed-conductive-parts. Again RCDs wouldn't help, unless the two exposed-conductive-parts were fed from two separate RCDs - a single common RCD wouldn't see any imbalance. Generally ADS for 2nd faults is handled by connecting all the exposed-conductive-parts together (not to Earth) and using overcurrent devices to disconnect.

      - Andy.

  • For an interesting read up on the topic, consider consulting ‘Temporary Power Systems’ by James Eade.

  • It is a subject that causes a lot of confusion, mythbusters #6 has some good breakdowns in it, for construction sites though it’s BS 7375 that causes the contention. Then add in that the majority if not all manufacturers tend to write in their instructions - ‘must be earthed’ often referring to a multitude of different international standards. 

  • I’ve got that one, not an easy read