Hello, having purchased an Infrared Mirror it needs to be mounted and comes supplied with a plug, but we would prefer it is hard wired into the circuit rather than plugged in. If we cut the plug off we may loose warranty but what do the regs state about this plug or hard wired?
Thank you
Not entirely clear on the model number!
Still, they are described as "bathroom" mirrors. Problem is that they will not have much impact in a bathroom of about 3 m square (with the bath in one corner, and the socket in the opposite one).
In a smaller bathroom you could plug it into a socket on the landing outside, and cut a bit off the door to let it pass between door and frame into the bathroom. Please do not ! I'm not serious.
The folk who lived in my house before I bought it did a lot of that kind of idiotic thing, and even now 20 years on, I'm still undoing things that I find and these sometimes surprise me.
M.
I'm with AJJ here, although the instructions don't state a maximum surface temperature on the mirror, looking at other types, the temp could exceed 90 Deg C specified in the table 42.1 in BS 7671 or 80 Deg C as it has a touchable button, though I doubt the elements would be around that area
So might need a fireguard around it.
Their installed pictures show it fitted within 20cm of taps.
I think that manufacturer needs to review its product and instructions.
Eg
Can be used in a bathroom Page 3 but then
Don’t touch or use the appliance with wet hands.
If there is water on the surface of the appliance, unplug it immediately.
A UK bathroom is a special location as defined by BS7671 thus the user may be wet, the MI states NOT to use with wet hands. This to me is somewhat of a contractdiction.
If there is water on the surface of the appliance, unplug it immediately.
Again. Its in a bathroom so this is a possibility of water or moisture on a surface. As for unplug immediately well it should not be on a plug and what it should say is maybe dry hands and feet and then safety isolate the appliance. Also refer back to
Don’t touch or use the appliance with wet hands. equally applies to do not unplug if a plug was used with wet hands.
agree - I think it has been compiled by stringing together standard warning phrases, without a great deal of thought about which ones really apply. It may well be that the importer does not have a great deal of technical expertise and is really mode concerned with getting a container of stuff delivered from a shipping port and into a warehouse and then repackaging it and selling it on.
This is also the way that a lot of non compliant kit ends up in the UK as well, not saying that this example is or isn't, but in many companies there is no great review/oversight process, so until there is a complaint then things are not really checked.
Mike.
Sorry to come back to this thread but while BS 7671 now allows sockets a minimum distance of 2.5m from the bath or shower tray edge, Part P still specifies >3m, in the note in diagram 2.
Sorry to come back to this thread but while BS 7671 now allows sockets a minimum distance of 2.5m from the bath or shower tray edge, Part P still specifies >3m, in the note in diagram 2.
That's because AD P still refers back to "BS 7671:2008 incorporating Amendment No 1:2011." rather than BS 7671:2018+AMD2. Which is deliberate as those in Whitehall don't like the idea of others making changes to the Law or its supporting documents - so it's up to them to decide when (and if) to update the reference to the latest regulations.
- Andy.
This is all that Part P itself says:
| Design and installation | |
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P1. Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury. |
The requirements of this Part apply only to electrical installations that are intended to operate at low or extra-low voltage and are— (a) in or attached to a dwelling; (b) in the common parts of a building serving one or more dwellings, but excluding power supplies to lifts; (c) in a building that receives its electricity from a source located within or shared with a dwelling; or (d) in a garden or in or on land associated with a building where the electricity is from a source located within or shared with a dwelling. |
Agreed, non-ambulatory legislation. But if a hair dryer with a 2.8m lead falls in the bath with someone in it, prosecution lawyers might reasonably argue that the legislation should have been followed and not bs7671
its ok don't confuse part P the law with part P the approved doc which is just an example of one way to meet part P the law.
I have a schuko socket in my shower room signed off with completion certificate as meeting building regs because I claimed the 'or equivalent' under the then HD384 recognition of other EU countries regs and qualifications, and then wired and tested it to the German VDE 100 part 11 or whatever it was.
Post brexit I have felt no need to re-wire my shower as the socket is still no more or less dangerous than it was then ;-)
The Shucko socket, being outwith 60cm from the edge of the shower is fine.
Mike.
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