Saving Energy using Solar Panels

We have 10 off 550W solar panels installed in our garden with an 8.2kWh battery and inverter in our garage. We are with Octopus as our energy supplier on the Flux tariff for electricity and the fixed tariff for gas.

I have thought about how to use technology to further reduce our use of energy. To start with, I used the Flux tariff to write software using Python that enabled the battery to be charged in the early morning when the price was low and discharge in the evening peek period when the price is high. This has the main benefit of helping to stabilise the grid network. It also helps save energy during the winter period by ensuring the battery is charged up to service the home particularly when there is little sun; this also reduces the cost a bit. I use a Raspberry Pi to run the software. I limit the discharge to ensure that there is sufficient energy to supply the home during the night, this is about 30%.

Then I decided to use the MyEnergi eddi device to control the hot water tank. This boosts the temperature in the tank soon after the battery charge has finished in the morning and maintains the temperature when the solar panels have recharged the battery. This ensures that hot water is available for use during the day. When we started this we found that we had to replace the original 70 year old hot water tank because the immersion heater had broken and replacing that would break the old tank. This helps save energy during the warmer spring, summer and autumn periods by enabling us to turn off the gas boiler, including the pilot light, and only use the gas for some cooking purposes. Gas usage is down to about 50kWh per month (10% of normal) and the overall cost tends to be in credit or close to 0.

Any energy usage from the grid is offset by the export of excess energy from the solar panels. Ensuring the battery is charged up at the beginning of the day maximises the export of excess energy. This is offset a bit by the use of the MyEnergi eddi, which uses about 30% of the battery energy on average. Still this avoids the use of gas to maintain the temperature and is more effective. We don't yet know how well the eddi device will work in winter, maybe we will have to boost the temperature with gas in the afternoon if there is no sun.

Our energy bill for April was £69, May £6 and June £29 in credit - so it appears to be working.

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  • Then I decided to use the MyEnergi eddi device to control the hot water tank.

    PV feeding an immersion made financial sense when exports were "deemed" (e.g. 50% of generated under the old FIT arrangement), but now I think many people are on an smart export guarantee tariff, so every unit not exported means a reduction in income - it effect it costs about 15p/kWh to heat water that way (compared with maybe 6p ish to do it by gas (depending on boiler efficiency etc)). Environmentally it's swings and roundabouts of course, but quite likely your kWh might be better spend displacing a kWh of gas fired electricity generation (at perhaps 60% efficiency)  than gas fired local hot water generation (at perhaps 90% efficiency). Depends on your gas boiler of course - if yours still has a pilot light, I guess it's not in the efficient condensing category...

    Another approach (which I've got) - is to have solar thermal panels in tandem with PVs (if you've got the roof space of course) - simple thermal panels get many more kW out of a sq m of roof than PVs, even if it's only "low grade" energy as warm water, it's perfectly useful for heating (even pre-heating) a stored hot water system. In my case it feeds a thermal store that provides space heating as well as domestic hot water - so the thermal panels make a contribution to the underfloor heating in winter too.

       - Andy.

  • More pilot light is used during the summer when gas usage is lower. The average usage per day for our Potterton boiler is 3.6kWh which costs about £7.50 per month. So last year I discussed with our maintainer on how to turn if off and we did that this year.

    Our boiler uses gravity feed to send hot water to the water tank, which is not very efficient.

  • Hello Chris:

    Where do you get your water from?  For example a deep well or a water supplier that does NOT add (for example) chlorine when necessary to reduce  the bacteria count .

    Does your water have fluoride added to protect your teeth?

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay 

      

  • My daughter's, in London, lasts about 7 years. I was quoting what technicians told me who are involved in replacing dead condensing boilers

    Why would you scrap a boiler after 7 years if the manufacturer can supply spares for at least 10 years?  Makes no sense to me.  Unless, of course, if you can make more profit by selling someone a new boiler, rather than repairing the old one.

  • yes I put ours in in 2006 or so, and its still going strong apart from needing a new set of ignition electrodes in 2019. It is condensing, but not a combi though, so the pump, 3 way valve, cylinder  header tank etc are traditional so most of the bits likely to need repairs are on the outside and the boiler itself is a lot less full.

    So far its not showing any signs of doing anything beyond economic repair.

    It is running with more than usual strength of corrosion inhibitor and is a bit oversized, so it loafs along rather than revving hard. It may well outlive the economic supply of natural gas

    Mike.

  • Hello Chris:

    When we have a water main break we are advised by the water supplier to boil (100 C at sea level) any water drawn from the tap for drinking purposes, for at least 1 -2 minutes, to kill any bacteria and continue to do so until an "all clear" is issued. 

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay  

  • More pilot light is used during the summer when gas usage is lower.

    Eh? The pilot light is on 24/7. It does not extinguish when the main burners ignite.

  • Afraid that I do not know. It probably has both halides. It is hard as nails!

  • from https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/622ee4518fa8f56c1d3113dd/water-fluoridation-health-monitoring-report-2022.pdf



    And for chlorine or Chloramine from  https://thewaterprofessor.com/blogs/articles/chlorine-in-tap-water


    It surprised me - I expected more fluoridation but the report shows that relative wealth has more to do with good teeth than water supplier

    Mike

    PS edited

    For those wondering about IMD this " classifies these areas into five quintiles based on relative disadvantage, with quintile 1 being the most deprived and quintile 5 being the least deprived."

    for those interested...

    https://opendatacommunities.org/data/societal-wellbeing/imd/indices

    https://www.bath.ac.uk/publications/undergraduate-bursary-and-scholarship-terms-and-conditions-2023-24/attachments/indices-of-multiple-deprivation-postcode-lookup-guide.pdf

  • Hello Chris:

    There is an old joke in the Orlando theme parks that you can always identify a Brit by their white legs and bad teeth!

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay 

  • It surprised me - I expected more fluoridation but the report shows that relative wealth has more to do with good teeth than water supplier

    So would I. I see that none is added to my supply.

    Toothpaste is full of fluoride, but I suppose that does not help if you cannot be bothered.

    The other great threat to teeth is (cigarette) smoking. Vaping does not help either. Nicotine reduces blood flow in the gums.

    Any road, my teeth are sound and my legs are lightly tanned - at least between my socks and the hem of my shorts.

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  • It surprised me - I expected more fluoridation but the report shows that relative wealth has more to do with good teeth than water supplier

    So would I. I see that none is added to my supply.

    Toothpaste is full of fluoride, but I suppose that does not help if you cannot be bothered.

    The other great threat to teeth is (cigarette) smoking. Vaping does not help either. Nicotine reduces blood flow in the gums.

    Any road, my teeth are sound and my legs are lightly tanned - at least between my socks and the hem of my shorts.

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