DNO Connections to Buildings

Afternoon All

Quick 'simple' question hopefully someone has a simple answer to.

Why are DNO's (like UKPN, SSE etc.) adverse to providing buildings with more than a single incoming LV supply?

Are they concerned about risks/ regs, or is there another reason.

Would like to know.

Many thanks

Ade

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  • It is not only DNOs  A friend has just been forced by the mortgage provider for his newly purchased private home to merge two previous Supplies into one as a condition of agreeing to provide the mortgage. 

  • Any idea what the perceived risk is?

    I can think of 50 good reasons for mimimizing the number of supplies.

  • Regulation 411.3.1.1 (2nd para) being one.

  • As I wrote earlier, I am only 99% certain that my two supplies have a common earth. They are only 10 m apart in the same street, but I cannot be certain.

    The transformer in my street has recently been replaced, and it appears to indicate where the next transformers are in the same mains, so there really can be only one cable in the street.

    Isn't the risk (of two earths) electrocution rather than burning the house down?

    My 50 reasons are the 50 p/day standing charge, much higher than it was originally.

  • Isn't the risk (of two earths) electrocution rather than burning the house down?

    Both. And they are both accounted for in BS 7671:

    • Electrocution if the two earths are not bonded together to form "the same earthing system" (Regulation 411.3.1.1)

    • Fire if diverted LV or HV fault current travels between the two because any protective conductors (or adjoining metalwork) can't carry sufficient current (Regulation 542.1.3.3).
  • I see, that makes sense.

  • Hi Graham, I hope you are well. Do you have data  about the reported cases of electrocution resulting from non-compliance with Regulation 411.3.1.1, the reported cases of fires caused by diverted fault currents as described in Regulation 542.1.3.3, and the fatalities associated with each of these incidents. Are these very rare due to our stringent regulations ? 

  • I think the explanation was that someone might have "rights" of some kind which might upset value. Not very convincing.

  • Do you have data  about the reported cases of electrocution resulting from non-compliance with Regulation 411.3.1.

    I'm not sure where such a statistic would come from. accident and incident data isn't conveniently compartmented for electrical-related incidents to this level of granularity.

    However, please be aware that this is a requirement for ADS, not only in the UK, but also in all CENELEC countries, and also any other country whose national wiring code is based on IEC 60364 series.

    he reported cases of fires caused by diverted fault currents as described in Regulation 542.1.3.3,

    Again, safety data isn't compartmented in this way.

    We might also be talking about HV fault currents as well as LV.

    And again, this isn't UK-specific.

    Are these very rare due to our stringent regulations ? 

    One would hope so. but 'our' here is any country that bases their wiring code on IEC 60364.

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  • Do you have data  about the reported cases of electrocution resulting from non-compliance with Regulation 411.3.1.

    I'm not sure where such a statistic would come from. accident and incident data isn't conveniently compartmented for electrical-related incidents to this level of granularity.

    However, please be aware that this is a requirement for ADS, not only in the UK, but also in all CENELEC countries, and also any other country whose national wiring code is based on IEC 60364 series.

    he reported cases of fires caused by diverted fault currents as described in Regulation 542.1.3.3,

    Again, safety data isn't compartmented in this way.

    We might also be talking about HV fault currents as well as LV.

    And again, this isn't UK-specific.

    Are these very rare due to our stringent regulations ? 

    One would hope so. but 'our' here is any country that bases their wiring code on IEC 60364.

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