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EICR Query

Tolly

A domestic installation is partly wired using flexible cables. These flexible cables have been coded a C2 on a recent condition report, the inspector noting in section K of the report:

"Flexible cable has been used to wire installation which is a departure from BS EN 50565-1:2014".

However, 7671 permits the use of flexible cables in fixed wiring, as discussed in issue 95 of Wiring Matters. 

Replacing them seems pointless, but the code can't be negated, so how should this be handled in the remedial work?

Thanks.

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    BS 7671 only seems to refer to BS EN 50565-1 for "the description of light, ordinary and heavy duty types" of flexible cables. No other requirements of that standard appear to be 'called up' by BS 7671. As an EICR is done to the requirements of BS 7671 - so unless BS 7671 explicitly refers to requirements of other standards, those requirements are, I would suggest, not an EICR matter.

    the code can't be negated

    There must be some mechanism for challenging mistakes in any system...

       - Andy.

  • 0 in reply to AJJewsbury

    The query here is not that flexibles have been used - we all agree that that is permitted, I think. The question is what standards should the flexible cable have stamped on the side of it, and here it seems the warm fuzzy glow given  by seeing the right letters  in the jacket is not present.

    However, on its own that is at most a C3 -  it's only a hard failure if the cable is in some technical way inadequate - perhaps it is mains wired in telephone wire, or aluminium cored network cable, or just a normal flex but the cross-section is not compatible with the load current, or it fails an insulation check, or is unsuited to the location.

    If none of these is true then It is possible that the inspector is not functioning correctly, and should be replaced.

    Mike.

  • 0 in reply to AJJewsbury

    That's the crux of my issue - if the use of flexible cables in the given scenario is acceptable, then what to do about remedial work? Seems a shame to have the upheaval of replacing them, if they're acceptable, but that leaves a C2 unresolved, on paper at least. 

  • 0 in reply to Tolly

    Yes, but you still have not told us how the flexible cables are being used. How are they installed, how big are they, and what current are they expected to carry?

    If you want to keep the cables and cannot get the EICR amended, you will to get another one. If you do remedy the non-compliance, you will need an EIC or MEIWC to demonstrate that the work complies.

  • 0 in reply to Chris Pearson

    The only info I've got is what's on the report, as copied and pasted above. The inpsectors issue simply seems to be that flexible cables have been used in the fixed installation, rather than the likes of T&E. I'm not too proficient with the use of this site, but in a reply to GK, have attached a couple of pictures I was given.

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  • 0 in reply to Chris Pearson

    The only info I've got is what's on the report, as copied and pasted above. The inpsectors issue simply seems to be that flexible cables have been used in the fixed installation, rather than the likes of T&E. I'm not too proficient with the use of this site, but in a reply to GK, have attached a couple of pictures I was given.

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