Garage changed to granny flat.

Hi there. 

I'm converting my garage to a granny flat. I have a TNCS system in our house. Supply to 100amp main switch in consumer unit, fed down to 2 main RCDs feeding 5 mcbs each. 

The board in the garage is exactly the same set up. What's the best way to feed the garage from the main consumer unit. If I wire into an MCB which is linked to the RCD. This would feed the main switch in the garage leading to other RCDs. Same trip characteristics both would trip. 

The supply to the garage is by means of SWA cable.

Any design solutions would be grateful.

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  • If the TNCS is low enough Zs, then it is permissible to feed the SWA submain from a non RCD supply,  so long as the downstream circuits have RCDs at the flat end, the assumption is that any cable damages will operate the MCB when the earthed armour is driven into the live cores, and the end users are protected by the load end RCDs.

    Similar logic relaxes the routing of the SWA cable - again the thinking is that unlike non-armoured cables,  damage that exposes a live core but does not trip anything is much less likely to occur.

    Another approach is to use an RCD at the source end with a time delay to supply the submain - this is common in outdoor works, TT installations and agriculture especially, where a nested hierarchy of fast low threshold RCDs are fed by higher rated slower ones.

    The simplest of course is to ask yourself when the RCDs actually last tripped, and if that is rare enough not to be a major issue, and to say it is acceptable for perhaps a few trips a year - and maybe an odd emergency light may be an alternative mitigation to being left in the dark.

    Mike

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  • If the TNCS is low enough Zs, then it is permissible to feed the SWA submain from a non RCD supply,  so long as the downstream circuits have RCDs at the flat end, the assumption is that any cable damages will operate the MCB when the earthed armour is driven into the live cores, and the end users are protected by the load end RCDs.

    Similar logic relaxes the routing of the SWA cable - again the thinking is that unlike non-armoured cables,  damage that exposes a live core but does not trip anything is much less likely to occur.

    Another approach is to use an RCD at the source end with a time delay to supply the submain - this is common in outdoor works, TT installations and agriculture especially, where a nested hierarchy of fast low threshold RCDs are fed by higher rated slower ones.

    The simplest of course is to ask yourself when the RCDs actually last tripped, and if that is rare enough not to be a major issue, and to say it is acceptable for perhaps a few trips a year - and maybe an odd emergency light may be an alternative mitigation to being left in the dark.

    Mike

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  • Thanks Mike

    Will remove the main 100amp switch and replace with main RCD. Feeding 6 MCB. 

    As for the supply to the granny flat, using a double pole MCB adjacent to the house consumer unit. Would I split the supply in a Henley block then run one supply to the main consumer unit MCB from the Henley block and another from the Henley block to the adjacent garage MCB from the Henley block. This is fed from 100amp double pole MCB at meter. ?

  • You certainly could. Joking aside, before getting all worried about it how often do your RCDs trip anyway ?

    In my place it would be a lot less than once a year, except for testing, excluding the one to the workshop which is a bit of an anomaly as it is where I test things that may be faulty or experimental. MCB trips are almost never - probably less than one per decade - there are far more power cuts.
    Mike.

  • Do you mean sticking in one up-front RCD for the whole house, including the granny annexe?  Unless it's something like a 100mA time delayed one, I can see that being a real nuisance if it ever does trip.  And that can happen - I had to replace a faulty oven recently as it kept tripping the RCD.