2nd Year Apprentice - Question on changing a light fitting & BS3036

Hi all, new to the forum and in my second year as an electrical install sparks.

So I've been asked by my girlfriend's mum to change out a light fitting they've bought which I'm led to believe is a Class 1 fitting. This is the following setup:

  • The existing CU is a Wylex BS3036 rewireable fuseboard with no RCD protection.
  • I've yet to confirm whether an MET is installed and what the earthing arrangement actually is.

I'm naturally safety conscious, but I'm not sure if I'm overthinking it. Because the fitting is a Class 1, and because it's next to a bunk bed, I'm worried if it gets knocked repeatedly the terminations will work their way loose and the fitting develops a L-E fault, and due to no RCD protection, wouldn't trip leading to the fitting becoming live.

If I can confirm the earthing arrangement is suitable, would I be OK swapping out the light? As far as I know, all cables are the red-black type with CPC, but is the CPC redundant if there is no form of main earthing conductor? What would happen if a fault was to develop with no MET present?

Because there is no RCD protection present in the CU, and if a fault was to develop L-E, it would just carry on putting out current. The installation was installed well before 18th, so is this a grey area in relation to RCD protection? I appreciate I'm altering a circuit (swapping out the fitting), which I'm aware requires RCD protection of no more than 30mA.

Additional question: If in this exact case a L-E fault would occur, would anything happen at the DNO transformer? Would the circuit remain energised and still put out 230V (or the potential for 6A)? I've got 7671 and the Student's Guide to 7671 sat next to me as I type this, and page 127 of the latter shows the prospective fault path leading back to the transformer, but in the case of the 3036 CU, does this actually serve any purpose?

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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  • I'm led to believe is a Class 1 fitting

    Joe, welcome to the forum!

    What does it say on the box? If it is metal, it may well be Class I. If it is Class 2, there should be a square-inside-a-square symbol - see 412.2.1.1.

    I've yet to confirm whether an MET is installed and what the earthing arrangement actually is.

    That has to be your first priority.

    but is the CPC redundant if there is no form of main earthing conductor?

    It is not so much redundant, but not a CPC at all. This installation probably pre-dates 15th edition. BS 3036 was published in 1958 and is still current, so the installation could be 40-70 years old. Note that a CPC was not always required during that period, so you need to look at both ends of the circuit. Inspect before test!

    Frankly, the fuse-box is out of date. When it comes to getting registered, and if you are still dating the same GF, it would be a good project to demonstrate competence.

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  • I'm led to believe is a Class 1 fitting

    Joe, welcome to the forum!

    What does it say on the box? If it is metal, it may well be Class I. If it is Class 2, there should be a square-inside-a-square symbol - see 412.2.1.1.

    I've yet to confirm whether an MET is installed and what the earthing arrangement actually is.

    That has to be your first priority.

    but is the CPC redundant if there is no form of main earthing conductor?

    It is not so much redundant, but not a CPC at all. This installation probably pre-dates 15th edition. BS 3036 was published in 1958 and is still current, so the installation could be 40-70 years old. Note that a CPC was not always required during that period, so you need to look at both ends of the circuit. Inspect before test!

    Frankly, the fuse-box is out of date. When it comes to getting registered, and if you are still dating the same GF, it would be a good project to demonstrate competence.

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  • Hi Chris, apologies, I tried to reply to you yesterday but had the anti-spam blocking me from posting too much. All sorted now though, and thank you for the warm welcome.

    Anywho, onto the matter at hand:

    What does it say on the box? If it is metal, it may well be Class I. If it is Class 2, there should be a square-inside-a-square symbol - see 412.2.1.1

    Thanks for the reg number. I'm familiar with double insulated equipment, but wasn't sure what the regulation was so I'll look into that.

    That has to be your first priority.

    I concur.

    Frankly, the fuse-box is out of date. When it comes to getting registered, and if you are still dating the same GF, it would be a good project to demonstrate competence.

    A good idea that, actually. I'll certainly bare this in mind before the AM2S comes around.

    Thanks for the reply!