We have been advised to consider a replacement gas boiler. The current one was fitted circa 2004 and has a 100 kW output (120 kW input). The situation is not helped by it being a large diameter pipe system and cast iron radiators, likely original from when the Class II listed building was built very early 1900s. (Some of the joints appear to be caulked lead!)
Clive
Thank you all for your comments, much appreciated.
Chris Pearson
I agree regarding the existing radiators and for that matter the radiating pipework. The thoughts of 10 off 3 kW heat pumps is 8 or 9 too many for me.
Good comment re it being only 20 years old.
It is a https://idealcommercialboilers.com/uploads/documents/Installation-Concord-CXA-40H-120H-Installation-Guide-157290.pdf which is Open Vented, Conventional Flue, No Modulation – All or Nothing. The heat exchanger is cast iron. Over the last 3 years or so, both circuit boards have been replaced – a long time intermittent issue, also probes etc. The only thing original is the gas valve.
Hot water is from a 3-phase 27kW flow heater. A Steibel Eltron as suggested by Mike mapj1 and very well it works too. Thanks Mike
Gas is only for space heating during cold months.
The building is in use most days, there are three zones which helps. However the building is slow to warm up.
Alanblaby
Air to air sounds interesting, BUT anything external is a nightmare when dealing with the Council’s Conservation Officer. Roof mounting would also be out – too high.
mapj1
The only south facing roof area is at the front adjacent the road. The current boiler does not modulate – just all or nothing. The heat exchanger is cast iron. Over the last 3 years or so, both circuit boards have been replaced – a long time intermittent issue, also probes etc. The only thing original is the gas valve.
Solid brick walls, typical pitched ceiling, no insulation, single glazed. I haven’t got the stamina to convince the Council’s Conservation Officer. Problem is, they seem to be on short contracts, so you can speak but can be difficult getting it on paper. Last time I tried they would not accept my scale drawing of a plan showing a new cast iron soil pipe on the rear wall (to fit an upstairs bathroom in the old attached caretakers house) so had to obtain a professional drawing………
The photo currently on ebay (???) shows the building quite well – it is both buildings: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275340456782
Also https://hawardeninstitute.org.uk/
burn
Yes, original boiler was coke fired down in the cellar. Which is where the gas boiler is now. I don’t know what the rating of the coke fired boiler was, I seem to remember the primary school I attended had a coke fired CH boiler back in the 50s. Coke was readily available from the local steelworks in Shotton, Flintshire.
Here are a couple of photos taken this morning showing the cellar pipework adjacent to the boiler
https://ancient-mariner.co.uk/public/20241114_Gas%20Boiler%201.jpg
https://ancient-mariner.co.uk/public/20241114_Gas%20Boiler%202.jpg
The white pipe is from a sump pump and the two cast iron(?) pipes head off underground beneath a courtyard to the gymnasium.
Cheers!
Clive
Thank you all for your comments, much appreciated.
Chris Pearson
I agree regarding the existing radiators and for that matter the radiating pipework. The thoughts of 10 off 3 kW heat pumps is 8 or 9 too many for me.
Good comment re it being only 20 years old.
It is a https://idealcommercialboilers.com/uploads/documents/Installation-Concord-CXA-40H-120H-Installation-Guide-157290.pdf which is Open Vented, Conventional Flue, No Modulation – All or Nothing. The heat exchanger is cast iron. Over the last 3 years or so, both circuit boards have been replaced – a long time intermittent issue, also probes etc. The only thing original is the gas valve.
Hot water is from a 3-phase 27kW flow heater. A Steibel Eltron as suggested by Mike mapj1 and very well it works too. Thanks Mike
Gas is only for space heating during cold months.
The building is in use most days, there are three zones which helps. However the building is slow to warm up.
Alanblaby
Air to air sounds interesting, BUT anything external is a nightmare when dealing with the Council’s Conservation Officer. Roof mounting would also be out – too high.
mapj1
The only south facing roof area is at the front adjacent the road. The current boiler does not modulate – just all or nothing. The heat exchanger is cast iron. Over the last 3 years or so, both circuit boards have been replaced – a long time intermittent issue, also probes etc. The only thing original is the gas valve.
Solid brick walls, typical pitched ceiling, no insulation, single glazed. I haven’t got the stamina to convince the Council’s Conservation Officer. Problem is, they seem to be on short contracts, so you can speak but can be difficult getting it on paper. Last time I tried they would not accept my scale drawing of a plan showing a new cast iron soil pipe on the rear wall (to fit an upstairs bathroom in the old attached caretakers house) so had to obtain a professional drawing………
The photo currently on ebay (???) shows the building quite well – it is both buildings: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275340456782
Also https://hawardeninstitute.org.uk/
burn
Yes, original boiler was coke fired down in the cellar. Which is where the gas boiler is now. I don’t know what the rating of the coke fired boiler was, I seem to remember the primary school I attended had a coke fired CH boiler back in the 50s. Coke was readily available from the local steelworks in Shotton, Flintshire.
Here are a couple of photos taken this morning showing the cellar pipework adjacent to the boiler
https://ancient-mariner.co.uk/public/20241114_Gas%20Boiler%201.jpg
https://ancient-mariner.co.uk/public/20241114_Gas%20Boiler%202.jpg
The white pipe is from a sump pump and the two cast iron(?) pipes head off underground beneath a courtyard to the gymnasium.
Cheers!
Clive
Good comment re it being only 20 years old.
Over the last 3 years or so, both circuit boards have been replaced – a long time intermittent issue, also probes etc. The only thing original is the gas valve.
Clive, thank you for the further info. "Village hall" is perhaps misleading. :-)
Possibly still more reliable than a modern boiler.
My CX170 (i.e. 170 Btu/hr = 50 kW) is probably 42 years old and about as simple as you can get. The only replacement item is the pilot light thermocouple every 5 years or so. That is tempting fate!!!
So long as the water is inhibited, what is there to go wrong mechanically?
At some stage, I shall move my boiler, but my concern is that the replacement will not be as durable.
the listing of the building is certainly a complication when it comes to double glazing etc. I have heard that sometimes secondary glazing is accepted as an alternative that does not mess up the external appearance. I also think that if the govt is serious about its green agenda, it is going to have to become a lot less sensitive about this sort of thing in future, or perhaps delist a lot of the less exciting currently listed buildings that are actually also working buildings and really will need to be made efficient.
Fully understand the lack of appetite for confronting bureaucracy,, and suggest that not changing the boiler until gas price makes it worthwhile or it blows up and cannot be fixed is a sensible course.
Mike.
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