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Good WorkManship in 2025

Sergio Fernandez

Should the term Good Workmanship in BS7671 and other BS (British Standards) be replaced by something like
Good working practice

After the wording has been agreed upon it could then percolate down to other publications like GN3 (Guidance Note 3)


As always please be polite and respectful in this purely academic debate.





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  • They seem to mean slightly different things to me.although both are subjective.where perhaps we mean to a high professional standard which aligns to BS7671.

  • in reply to Newfutile

    What I was trying to get to was the use of the word Man in workmanship in the same way that people would use the term man hour.  This does not feel like inclusive language.


    WorkManship
    WorkWomanship

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez

    Do you mean as in male and female?  If so is the word man not also in woman ?

    Gary

  • in reply to aligarjon

    In years gone by people would use the term Master and Slave when talking about computers HDDs (hard disks drives)

    While the terms "master" and "slave" are technically still used in contexts like older hard drive configurations, the technology industry is moving away from them due to their negative connotations
    . Many companies, including Microsoft and GitHub, have adopted more neutral terminology such as "primary/replica," "main," or "primary/secondary"

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez
    Sergio Fernandez said:
    What I was trying to get to was the use of the word Man in workmanship in the same way that people would use the term man hour.  This does not feel like inclusive language.

    Interesting. The term is used in legislation (including Building Regulations) as per my earlier post.

    I suppose this type of word, though, is more like the words 'manslaughter' and 'human' which to the best of my knowledge are currently not considered be non--inclusive.

    BS 7671 contains the word 'human' a total of 7 times (not including titles of standards in Appendix 1).

    There are two standards referenced in Appendix 1, that have, in their titles, 'man-machine interface', which I guess not a lot can be done about directly?

  • in reply to gkenyon

    I do understand that the term Workmanship is still used in legislation but maybe there needs to be an update.  In the same way we now use the term Police Officer rather than Police Man or Fire Fighter rather than Fireman.  Historically the police and fire service were male or predominantly male work places.  

  • in reply to gkenyon

    'man-machine interface' is largely being superseded by 'human computer interface' in the IT world.

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  • in reply to Simon Barker

    While in our industry (utilities & MEP) we're often making reference to an HMI, but I've never heard of an MMI except perhaps in outdated literature.

  • in reply to Jam

    Yes, 'HMI' (human-machine interface) is used in a lot of sectors.

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