Good WorkManship in 2025

Should the term Good Workmanship in BS7671 and other BS (British Standards) be replaced by something like
Good working practice

After the wording has been agreed upon it could then percolate down to other publications like GN3 (Guidance Note 3)


As always please be polite and respectful in this purely academic debate.





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  • Would the Equality Act 2010 agree with or supersede certain elements of the Interpretation Act 1978?

  • Alternate wording for "workmanship" COULD include craftsmanship, skill, expertise, handiwork. Other synonyms are quality, execution, proficiency, depending on the specific context and desired nuance. 

    Common synonyms

        Craftsmanship: This term is often used interchangeably with workmanship and emphasizes the skill of a craftsperson.

        Skill: A direct and concise alternative, focusing on the ability to do something well.

        Expertise: Highlights a high level of knowledge and ability in a particular field.

        Handiwork: Refers to the work produced by hand, often emphasizing the finished product.

    However craftsmanship may have the same issues.  Maybe new words should be created in the Oxford English dictionary for

    Workship and Craftship

  • I do understand that the term Workmanship is still used in legislation but maybe there needs to be an update.  In the same way we now use the term Police Officer rather than Police Man or Fire Fighter rather than Fireman.  Historically the police and fire service were male or predominantly male work places.  

    So, where do you stand on the word 'human' ?

    Also, how do we deal with the other words that inadvertently use the term 'man', like 'management', 'manipulate', etc, where the etymology has nothing to do with the word 'man' ?

    These types of discussion are really for BSI and IEC committees that develop the rules by which standards are drafted ... see BS 0.

    Interesting discussion, though

  • Workship and Craftship

    I'm not sure the IET, or JPEL/64, can influence that ? Joy

    (Happy to be wrong on that, though.)

  • The man in manipulate is not 'male' but  'hand'  like manual. (Not 'read the manual', the other one..  le main etc.  )

    I have no problem with gender matched word endings as such, and have found I can annoy my daughter when she is reading the map in the car by calling her the navigatrix, not the navigator.

    Language changes, we no longer talk about wer and wyf, for man and woman,

    Though the derived 'wife' persists, to be paired with 'husband' - which actually means one bound to a particular dwelling (hus ~ house + band - attached~bound ~ bonded)

    we have lost the informal third person (thou / thee) in favour of the formal and plural (you) and if folk would prefer some  alternative to the current, then they can use it. 

    If we actually mean womankind, we should be happy to say so but we need to understand what we are doing rather than mucking about with odd words.

    Workmanship - the quality or the craft of being a worker, is reasonable, and is not usually used to exclude the possibility that the worker is female.

    I'd be wary of jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

    Mike

  • And for the argumentative, battleship - these are types of sea going vessel ;-) 
    Mike

  • While in our industry (utilities & MEP) we're often making reference to an HMI, but I've never heard of an MMI except perhaps in outdated literature.

  • Leader/Follower is one I've come across recently.

    One of the ?challenges/opportunities? is that the different alternative pairings each carry a subtly different connotation.

  • Good Workmanship

    I've always found it a rather odd term to use as a requirement - as the details seem to vary considerably depending on the particular workman concerned. From what I've seen of the world there would seem to be quite a few workmen out there that seem to equate "good" or even "best" with "quick & cheap". (None here of that persuasion I'm sure, but in the wider world...)

       - Andy.

  • Eeh, Mike, you are on good form this evening. :-)