Would You Be Interested in an IET Wiring Regulations Course?

Don’t fall into the trap of assuming that immersing someone in a swimming pool means they can swim. The present format of dumping three days of relatively unconnected and undiluted BS7671 stuff on candidates does absolutely nothing to demonstrate understanding other than how to find something in a big brown book. 
For installation electricians at least, there needs to be a more joined-up and applied approach if the aim is to produce a worthwhile course on understanding the requirements of BS7671.

I must admit I was surprised by this.

One assumes that this would have to be a bit different to the sort of thing offered at technical colleges and training centres up and down the land already, because if not,  the IET becomes just a late joiner to a race where its main involvement was to help write the book that the City and Guilds folk use to write parts of the exam and I cannot see how it can compete on that alone ?

So, how might it differ ? 
A course designed also for the people teaching students for, or even those setting the questions for,  the exams might have more relevance. That would  make use of the one thing the IET has, that the majority of colleges of FE don't - access to the original thinking behind the rules, rather than just the rules themselves, or at best a bit of a guess as to the intention.

A course with more of a 'train the trainers' emphasis if you will.

Mike.

Edited to correct grammar and break up a very long sentence of gobbledygook .

Agreed, somewhat surprised in this survey, then again perhaps not if somebody sees a way of generating revenue!

I'm maybe showing my age here but likley 30+ yrs ago IEE conducted and delivered 15th, 16th etc wiring regulations courses including the original 2391 course, delegates could just sign up for the training and if they wanted sit the C&G exam.

Venues across the UK. I must admit I found the trainers to be very good compared to some College lecturers delivering the same subject matter, as the trainers were those IEE members involved in writing the Regs, so had a perhaps better idea how they went together, that said majority were chartered engineers in consultancy practices, so sometimes the "Practical" if you have this situation is it compliant? question sometimes college lecturers who are or were in those days Ex installation electricians far better at giving those kind of answers.

Its a stack them high and sell them cheap the C&G short courses as the industry and practitioners want as short a course as possble for a low cost but also want the cert at the end. Note I never said anything about understanding the subject nor its application, just getting a cert, to tick a box, for others including clients and employers to say people they engage with are competent and have the cert so must know everything!!

For me its all about the trainers involved and how much they know and how they engage with who is in front of them, I agree with mapj1 suggestion could be good for those of us involved in training ourselves.

Cheers GTB 

The IET is certanly not a late joiner to the party, I did a session at Savoy Place on the 16th Edition with the then IEE back in the mists of time. You may not have visited the Elex shows around the country but on each day of the show the IET does 4 presentations on the Wiring Regulations with different topics. The topics change each year.

I have done, and still do, training on the Wiring Regulations and try to teach through understanding rather how to pass the exam.

JP

I am not sure that the participants in this forum are the best audience for the question. After all, if we did not have any interest in the subject, we would not be here.

I feel that this forum keeps me in touch with BS 7671, so a course would not add very much for me.

I "taught" my first wiring regulations course in September 1992. In preparation, I bought a series of videos from the IEE (I think I still have them). After viewing them I realized how little I really knew. Thinking back, I had been "volunteered" by a tutor in the college. I was a student of his, just a contractor doing the C-Certificate. I think he pushed me forward as there was no one else on the college teaching staff who wanted an to do an evening course. No way should I have been put in front of any class, even of my own peers. When I found out that the candidates were mostly from Mott McDonald Consulting Engineers, I very nearly through the towel in! I didn't and got through that course and hundreds after.

Here I am, now with almost 35 years of part-time tutoring under my belt, and I am still very much aware of how little I really know!

I would be interested in sitting the course.

I assume (yes I know assume makes an .........out of you an me) what they mean when they say IET Wiring Regulations Course is actually BS7671.  Personally I think there is also merit in adding BS5839 part 6 to that course.  

My thought process is the Wiring regs are a requirement stipulated by most CPS and most CPS members do a lot of Domestic Dwellings.  Wiring regs are also requirement stipulated by EAS thus adding BS5839 part 6 would be beneficial..

If you had a choice what format,or information, would you want in presentaions if the IET was delivering them? 

JP

“We’re considering launching an IET-run Wiring Regulations course that takes you through the latest edition of the IET Wiring Regulations book.”

Presumably that will be after Amendment 4 is published?

”The aim is to help you understand the regs in depth, prepare for the exam”

Those who already have an 18th Edition qualification will not need to take an update exam, will we? 

“feel confident applying them in real-world scenarios.” along with proof of Continuing Professional Development (CPD) as required for our CPS registrations with the NICEIC or NAPIT.

As I understand it, the majority of us will want Amendment 4 CPD with a certificate of attendance, not exam preparation.

For those who want exam preparation, the best option is Tuesday evening classes from 6.30 to 9.00 pm with a ten minute coffee/bathroom break spread over ten weeks, giving guided learning with plenty of time to read and revise, rather trying to cram everything into three days with limited time for revision and self study.

How long is required for an update course for CPD purposes depends on the content.