The car park

There are several main types of car park in the UK

Open air
Multi-storey open sided
Basement
Basement with dwellings or commercial space above

The UK is seeing a large move towards EV (Electric Vehicles) from traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) there have also been several well documented Car park fires in the last decade.  Eg Luton Airport Car park October 2023 with over 1500 vehicles destroyed or damaged

Should all UK Car Parks apart from Open air have 
Fire detection with 24/7/365 monitoring with backup power supply
Increase amount of manual fire call points per floor and throughout stairwells to increase evacuation alert
EVSE auto shut off for power in the event of a fire or an alarm
Battery backup for emergency lights for a min of 6 hours
Increased amount of illuminated fire exits signs
Fire resistant cabling throughout
Fire restitant cable management/containment throughout
Increase IP rating throughout in case of fire due to the amount of water that may be used
Annual EICR
Technology/Mechanisms to assist evacuation of disabled and mobility impaired persons, this could include evacuation lift replacing the passenger lift



As always please be polite and respectful in this purely academic debate.





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  • Going slightly off topic but also staying generally on topic... I spent Saturday night/Sunday morning aboard an overnight ferry from France to the UK and, as how my usual geeky brain works, as we were boarding with our vehicle and parked up alongside the lorries and RVs etc belonging to our fellow travellers, I got to wondering how they deal with EVs for fire risks etc while on board? 

    If you're using the rail tunnel its a bit different as there is a service tunnel running alongside that's used for escape in case of fire etc (I'd love the opportunity to cycle the 26 mile length of the service tunnel but that's another story Slight smile ) but obviously if you're out in the middle of the channel and one of the EVs on board suddenly catches fire in the hold, how is that dealt with? 

    Needless to say, I familiarised myself with ALL the safety notices in my cabin on the topic of the evacuation process, assembly points and lifeboat locations etc before getting my head down for a few hours kip! Sleeping 

  • you probably have not read https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mgn-653-m-electric-vehicles-onboard-passenger-roll-onroll-off-ro-ro-ferries/mgn-653-m-electric-vehicles-onboard-passenger-roll-onroll-off-ro-ro-ferries 

    but that has the current UK official position. I note that the recommendation is that any badly damaged EVs are placed on weather decks. Part of me wonder if that is just because it makes it easier to flood, or also because perhaps it makes things easier to push over the side if things get really out of hand, as are occasionally  the instructions for certain types of very dangerous military cargos, that they be cut loose as a last resort... 

    Mike.

  • And just to re-emphasise the points made above, whist there are differences in the risks between ICE and EVs, the probability of a fire occurring due to an ICE currently appears to be higher than with an EV.

    Or in other words, cars are (and always have been) dangerous cargo whatever their fuel source. 

    Just as I suspect (to go further off topic) there will be people nervous today about rail travel after the news from Spain, and hence choosing to travel by road, despite the fact that the road risks are about 100 times higher than rail risks. Familiar risks don't make headlines. 

  • Oooh interesting  thank you for the link! I see though that it was withdrawn with an amendment now which can be found here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mgn-653-m-amendment-1-electric-vehicles-onboard-passenger-roll-onroll-off-ro-ro-ferries/mgn-653-m-amendment-1-electric-vehicles-onboard-passenger-roll-onroll-off-ro-ro-ferries--2 Some more random info to fill up that geeky brain of mine! Joy

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