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The car park

Sergio Fernandez

There are several main types of car park in the UK

Open air
Multi-storey open sided
Basement
Basement with dwellings or commercial space above

The UK is seeing a large move towards EV (Electric Vehicles) from traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) there have also been several well documented Car park fires in the last decade.  Eg Luton Airport Car park October 2023 with over 1500 vehicles destroyed or damaged

Should all UK Car Parks apart from Open air have 
Fire detection with 24/7/365 monitoring with backup power supply
Increase amount of manual fire call points per floor and throughout stairwells to increase evacuation alert
EVSE auto shut off for power in the event of a fire or an alarm
Battery backup for emergency lights for a min of 6 hours
Increased amount of illuminated fire exits signs
Fire resistant cabling throughout
Fire restitant cable management/containment throughout
Increase IP rating throughout in case of fire due to the amount of water that may be used
Annual EICR
Technology/Mechanisms to assist evacuation of disabled and mobility impaired persons, this could include evacuation lift replacing the passenger lift



As always please be polite and respectful in this purely academic debate.





Come on everybody let’s help inspire the future

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  • Yes.
    Maybe, though no need to increase within stair wells if design is otherwise compliant.
    Could already be in place via shunt trip(s) linked to fire alarm activation. If not, yes.
    No need for 6 hours. A compliant 3hr duration system should be sufficient.
    If signage is compliant, I don't see a need to increase it.
    Life safety systems should already be in fire resistant cabling. LSZH for everything else should suffice.
    Not really necessary as I would imagine smoke/heat damage would necessitate at least a partial re-fit anyway.
    Annual inspection of the EVSE installation, perhaps. Full EICR...not sure its warranted, provided any works undertaken between EICRs are properly carried out and certified.
    These would already be in place if deemed necessary for the building.

  • in reply to pww235
    pww235 said:
    Annual inspection of the EVSE installation

    Some EVSE do get abused by customers.  Some EVSE get the charging cable cut off or stolen 

    pww235 said:
    Life safety systems should already be in fire resistant cabling. LSZH for everything else should suffice.

    Some could argue that the Public Announcement / Evacuation Announcement is Life Safety

    Some could argue that the evacuation lift SHOULD replace the passenger lift

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez
    Sergio Fernandez said:
    Some could argue that the Public Announcement / Evacuation Announcement is Life Safety

    Definitely already is: was delayed a day on Coll because the tannoy had failed on the boat and a replacement had to be shipped (sic) from elsewhere before the boat could sail from Oban.

  • in reply to Philip Oakley
    Philip Oakley said:
    Some could argue that the Public Announcement / Evacuation Announcement is Life Safety

    When I wrote the above I was actually thinking of car parks but I can see how it also applies of RORO Ferry.

    Nice little Whisky distillery in Oban.  Remember the locals pronounce it Oh..Bin

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez

    I've gone down a rabbit hole this afternoon and now know the difference between RO-RO and RO-PAX ferries... Joy

    I was on a RO-PAX ferry at the weekend Blush Nerd

  • in reply to Lisa Miles

    What about chain pulled ferry like Sandbanks Ferry (Poole, Dorset): Links Sandbanks to Studland?  Sometimes they are referred to as a Floating Bridge

    Cowes Floating Bridge on the Isle of Wight

  • in reply to Sergio Fernandez
    Sergio Fernandez said:
    What about chain pulled ferry like Sandbanks Ferry (Poole, Dorset): Links Sandbanks to Studland?

    I've been on that a few times Sergio. I have family down that way and visit often. Slight smile

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  • in reply to Lisa Miles

    Anybody who has served in either the RN or merchant fleet is only too well aware of the risks of fires at sea. Unlike in Liverpool, you cannot make pumps 12.

    I have only ever seen the Sandbanks ferry from the water, but if push comes to shove, you can always jump in the oggin. The same option is unlikely to succeed in the Channel (even more so on the ferry to the Isle of Man or Dublin) unless there is a passing small boat.

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