Diversity settings for apartment blocks and ADMD standard norms

I'm looking at calculating a total diversified load for a small apartment block. Using Table A2 in the OSG i am able to get the majority of the diversity settings however does anyone know of any standard norms when it comes to diversity considering the amount of apartments. Say for example the total diversified load per apartment is 50A and there is 8 apartments. Technically you would need a 400A capable supply to feed these apartments however this doesn't take into account that not all apartments will be drawing their maximum load at any one time.

I have come across a french standard  NFC14-100 which gives correction factors depending on the amount of apartments you have. Estimation of actual maximum kVA demand - Electrical Installation Guide

Does anyone know of anything similar in British standards or standard norms used by the DNO for this?

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  • The 15 minute or 30 minute values for MD used by the DNO are not always suitable to size fuses, switchgear/controlgear assemblies and cables for an electrical installation to BS 7671.

  • values for MD used by the DNO are not always suitable to size fuses, switchgear/controlgear assemblies and cables for an electrical installation to BS 7671

    Indeed, and the corollary is also true, that BS7671 methodology is not really suitable or applicable to the design of large distribution networks supplying unsynchronised loads and at power levels where items like transformers and switchgear have thermal time constants of several hours; and a far more nuanced understanding is needed.

    It's not clear if the OPs query falls into that situation or not.

    The example above of the immersion heaters is amusing - the cheaper fix would have been to randomise the timer settings but it also highlights the problem of a coherent load step versus a random noise-like one (to borrow some terms from the signal processing folk) - and things that accidentally drive group behaviour, like a large group all getting home off the same train, or all staying up late to watch the same football match, tend to break the assumption of randomness , and can cause a very large peak-to-mean variation in demand. Its the difference between kids splashing about incoherently in the pool and synchronising their kicking to produce one big wave.

    The saving grace is that the peaks for cooking and so on are normally short compared to the thermal response time of the larger circuit elements like substations.

    Mike

  • It should also be noted that the supply industry is pushing consumers to synchronise changes in demand through various forms of dynamic pricing.

    To take the immersion heater example, if the flats were such that Economy 7 was the best tariff then there would almost certainly be a similar surge at whatever the E7 switch on time was.  Meters with switching elements try to ameliorate the effect on the transmission network by incorporating different delays  between notional E7 tariff start time and switching element operation across the meter population but this doesn't help in the distribution network as once switched on an immersion heater is probably going to be running for several hours.

    Similarly, most electric car chargers incorporate a random delay in switching if they have been set up in a timed operation mode.

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  • It should also be noted that the supply industry is pushing consumers to synchronise changes in demand through various forms of dynamic pricing.

    To take the immersion heater example, if the flats were such that Economy 7 was the best tariff then there would almost certainly be a similar surge at whatever the E7 switch on time was.  Meters with switching elements try to ameliorate the effect on the transmission network by incorporating different delays  between notional E7 tariff start time and switching element operation across the meter population but this doesn't help in the distribution network as once switched on an immersion heater is probably going to be running for several hours.

    Similarly, most electric car chargers incorporate a random delay in switching if they have been set up in a timed operation mode.

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  • It should also be noted that the supply industry is pushing consumers to synchronise changes in demand through various forms of dynamic pricing.

    Such as British Gas's half price between 10:00 and 16:00 on Sundays. Just about time to wash and dry a load of laundry.

    It may relieve the network of pressure during the working week, but it might place quite a buden on transformers in residential areas. However, as Mike reminds us, they are not going to overheat in 6 hours.